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Serge Brammertz: vindicated

Published on : 30 May 2011 - 3:50pm | By International Justice Tribune (Photo:RNW)
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Serge Brammertz feels vindicated as he prepares for the trial of former Bosnian Serb general Ratko Mladic in The Hague. But he says it's too soon to know if Mladic will face trial alongside his former boss, Radovan Karadzic. Brammertz spoke to Lauren Comiteau in The Hague.

We have always said that the main hypothesis is that he is hiding in Serbia and that the key for his arrest is in Belgrade. At the end of the day this has proven to be the correct hypothesis. Now of course today we recognise the important work done by the Serbian authorities. It has taken very long, but we hope not too long, to have him arrested finally after 16 years, but of course it is a positive development.

And do you think your office played a role in putting constant pressure on Belgrade?
Today we recognise that the main work and the job has been done by the competent Serbian authorities, the so-called action team composed of the different operational services and the war crimes prosecutor coordinated by the National Security Council in Serbia. Of course we have over the last months, if not to say over the last three years, made recommendations on how to improve investigations insisting on having a more multidisciplinary approach. We see today that police services are much more involved than in the past. We have asked that leads are investigated simultaneously and not one after the other and that there has to be a very quick follow-up. We see that this has happened in the concrete case so we for sure think that we have played a constructive role in supporting the Serbian authorities in finalising this job.

How are you going to avoid such problems as at the Milosevic trial? Will you amend charges again possibly reducing them focusing maybe only on Srebrenica?
It is too early to take a decision in this regard. It is clear that our preferred option would of course be to go for the full indictment as it is today. As you know we have a number of months ago submitted an amended indictment which is in relation to the ethnic cleansing in Bosnia between ‘92 and ‘95 which is in relation to the siege of Sarajevo during the same period which is in relation to the genocide in Srebrenica and the hostage taking of blue helmets. Those are the main components of the current indictment. We will have to see, based on a number of factors, if this is the indictment which will at the end of the day be the one used or if there would be the need to amend it again. But it is really too early to tell.

But you’re ready to go to trial?
I don’t think that it is really a problem for the OTP. The crimes allegedly committed by Mladic have been prosecuted several times already at this tribunal. There have been several officers and general who worked under the authority of Mladic and have already been convicted, with important sentences. So we are quite satisfied that the evidence we have is convincing and we hope it will convince the judge. But at the end of the day it is of course up to the judges to decide about guilt.

Do you think you have a strong case?
That’s quite obvious.

I have been here for 15 years, many prosecutors have come and gone, everyone of course wanting Mladic, the final straw hat. How do you feel now that he is finally here?
I was in Croatia when I was informed about the operation. We had a meeting with forty prosecutors all from the countries of former Yugoslavia who are all dealing with war crimes cases and who are all facing still today very important problems. When I got this information from Belgrade that most likely the person which has been arrested was general Mladic I was immediately thinking about the victims’ organizations in the region and I have been a number of times, I met them more than ten times, I went to Srebrenica last year, I went to Sarajevo again three weeks ago. Speaking with victims’ organisations every time remind us about the importance of our work, reminds us to really insist also after 15 years that there can be no alternative to this arrest. So I was very, very pleased for the victims’ organisations, I was very pleased of course also for the tribunal, Mladic being one of the two remaining fugitives. But I think it is also a strong signal in support of international justice. It gives a strong signal that at the end of the day those suspected of being responsible for the worst crimes will at the end of the day be arrested.

Many of those victims in Bosnia are saying that it has come too late.
I fully understand their frustrations. We are also frustrated that it took so long. Of course the best option would have been to have this arrest 15 years ago. It would have been much better to have the arrest at the same time with the arrest of Karadzic in 2008. So I fully understand their frustrations because many of the victims, many survivors and family members died also in the meantime at the consequence of the crimes committed. They did not live to see Mladic face justice. So what we are saying to the victims is: it’s late but not too late. We very much hope that this trial can take place and will take place. And as the Office of the Prosecutor we will make sure everything is in order so that this trial can start as soon as possible.

I have also heard  that Mladic is stalling in Belgrade trying to delay his transfer or appealing or possibly his health. What do you know?
I am really not in a position to speculate about those elements. The competent judge has decided that he was fit for transfer. He has now the possibility to appeal this decision, I don’t know if he will and depending on this decision the transfer can take place early next week or at a later stage.

The Tribunal is clearly on its way to fulfill its mandate, a big day for justice.
Absolutely, this tribunal, many people are for the last 15 years waiting for this moment working hard to support justice. We are in the so-called completion strategy. People in this tribunal know that their contracts are ending. The closure of the existence of the tribunal is there very, very soon. I think that the arrest finally of Mladic will be a very strong motivation for everybody to again put the remaining energy into this case to make sure that all together we serve justice once again.
 

 

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JIll Starr 2 December 2011 - 3:53am / USA

What It’s Like to Chill Out With Whom the Rest of the World Considers As The Most Ruthless Men: Ratko Mladic, Goran Hadzic and Radovan Karadzic (+) Confessions of a Female War Crimes Investigator By Jill Louise Starr NJ USA

http://sites.google.com/site/jillstarrsite/what-it-s-like-to-chill-out-w...

Retrospectively, it was all so simple, natural and matter of fact being on a boat restaurant in Belgrade, sitting with, laughing, drinking a two hundred bottle of wine and chatting about war and peace while Ratko Mladic held my hand. Mladic, a man considered the world’s most ruthless war criminal since Adolf Hitler, still at large and currently having a five million dollar bounty on his head for genocide by the international community. Yet there I was with my two best friends at the time, a former Serbian diplomat, his wife, and Ratko Mladic just chilling. There was no security, nothing you’d ordinarily expect in such circumstances. Referring to himself merely as, Sharko; this is the story of it all came about.
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Irrefutable Proof ICTY Is Corrupt Court/Irrefutable Proof the Hague Court Cannot Legitimately Prosecute Karadzic Case By Jill Starr

http://picasaweb.google.com/lpcyusa/IrrefutableProofICTYIsCorruptCourtIr...
(The Documentary Secret United Nations ICC Meeting Papers Scanned Images) OR http://community.jigsaw.com/t5/media/gallerypage/user-id/903610#

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My testimonial video on Youtube _> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKe-5LORsGs

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This legal technicality indicates the Hague must dismiss charges against Dr Karadzic and others awaiting trials in the Hague jail; like it or not.

Unfortunately for the Signatures Of the Rome Statute United Nations member states instituting the ICC & ICTY housed at the Hague, insofar as the, Radovan Karadzic, as with the other Hague cases awaiting trial there, I personally witnessed these United Nations member states having a substantial conversations, and, openly speaking about trading judicial appointments and verdicts for financial funding when I attended the 2001 ICC Preparatory Meetings at the UN in Manhattan making the iCTY and ICC morally incapable trying Radovan Karazdic and others.

I witnessed with my own eyes and ears when attending the 2001 Preparatory Meetings to establish an newly emergent International Criminal Court, the exact caliber of criminal corruption running so very deeply at the Hague, that it was a perfectly viable topic of legitimate conversation in those meetings I attended to debate trading verdicts AND judicial appointments, for monetary funding.

Jilly wrote:*The rep from Spain became distraught and when her country’s proposal was not taken to well by the chair of the meeting , then Spain argued in a particularly loud and noticably strongly vocal manner, “Spain (my country) strongly believes if we contribute most financial support to the Hague’s highest court, that ought to give us and other countries feeding it financially MORE direct power over its decisions.”

((((((((((((((((((((((((( ((((((((((((((((((((((((( Instead of censoring the country representative from Spain for even bringing up this unjust, illegal and unfair judicial idea of bribery for international judicial verdicts and judicial appointments, all country representatives present in the meeting that day all treated the Spain proposition as a ”totally legitimate topic” discussed and debated it between each other for some time. I was quite shocked! The idea was “let’s discuss it.” "It’s a great topic to discuss."

Some countries agreed with Spain’s propositions while others did not. The point here is, bribery for judicial verdicts and judicial appointments was treated as a totally legitimate topic instead of an illegitimate topic which it is in the meeting that I attended in 2001 that day to establish the ground work for a newly emergent international criminal court.))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

In particular., since “Spain” was so overtly unafraid in bringing up this topic of trading financial funding the ICC for influence over its future judicial appointments and verdicts in front of every other UN member state present that day at the UN, “Spain” must have already known by previous experience the topic of bribery was “socially acceptable” for conversation that day. They must have previously spoke about bribing the ICTY and ICC before in meetings; this is my take an international sociological honor student.

SPAIN’s diplomatic gesture of international justice insofar as, Serbia, in all of this is, disgusting morally!SPAIN HAS TAUGHT THE WORLD THE TRUE DEFINITION OF AN “INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT.”

I represented the state interests’ of the Former Yugoslavia, in Diplomat Darko Trifunovic’s absence in those meetings and I am proud to undertake this effort on Serbia’s behalf.
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Anonymous 30 May 2011 - 5:31pm

By the way, not really Brammertz in the fake comment above... just showing how easy it is to manipuate things. Nothing is ever what it really seems.

Anonymous 30 May 2011 - 5:26pm

Reporter: How are you going to avoid the problems we saw at the Milosevic trial being such big unwieldy trial? Are you going to be amending the charges again possibly bringing them down focusing maybe only on Srebrenica?

Brammertz: We learned a lot from the Milosevic trial. This time we will hire real actors and pay them much more for the lies that we will be building. If things continue to long as they did with Mladic and it starts to look as though we won't win again, we'll simply deny him proper medical care and hope that he too passes away in his cell. Then of course we will follow up with more lies!

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