The Dutch Senate has rejected a ban on unanaesthetised ritual slaughter. The bill proposed by the Animal Rights Party would have made kosher and halal slaughter things of the past. The Senate decision overrules the vote in the Lower House, which had earlier passed the bill.
Jews and Muslims slaughter animals without anaesthetising them. The Animal Rights Party fervently believes that animals should not have to endure what they call torture in order to accommodate religious beliefs.
In unanaesthetised ritual slaughter, the arteries are cut open so that the animal bleeds to death. According to veterinarians and scientists, this means that death is even more agonisingly painful and drawn out. This, however, is disputed within the Jewish and Muslim communities.
"Ïf it wasn't good for the animals, then God would not have decreed that it should take place,"
says Muslim butcher Mohammed Arab.
This video was first published in April 2011.
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Ritual slaughter this is not good. Animal suffering not allowed any religious.
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Ritual slaughter this is not good. Animal suffering not allowed any religious.
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Ritual slaughters have come under a lot of scrutiny and debate over the years, yet people seem to make less noise about it than say, putting dogs to sleep because they have a terminal disease. I never understood why, but perhaps people are less likely to take on a religion. Sherwin
The butcher who says that God has decreed that the ritual slaughter of animals should take place is wrong on several counts. In the first place it is men who are telling us what God said, and as history has shown us, they can get things terribly wrong and commit horrible cruelties in the process. Also if this is what God said, then why is such ritual slaughter NOT manifested to the billions of people of other religions, be they Christian or Buddhists or others?
Perhaps there are universal norms of decency, relating to treatment of humans, and animals (who are also God's creation) that are manifesting themselves in an increasingly universal environment. Thus slavery, or child abuse in its various forms, are unacceptable in international law and the laws of many nations, and are a reflection of universal norms and values on the matter. The same applies to the cruel and unusual treatment of animals; to say that God has decreed cruelty in any form is to offend his majesty and compassion. Someone said that people who use God to justify cruelty to animals will have no difficulty using Him to justify cruelty to each other; to their fellow humans! Cruelty should not have the sanction of religion and cannot have the sanction of the law!
All these different religions have caused countless wars over the centuries... if there is a god or whoever, I'm sure there is only one. All the religions should be banished once and for all. I have my own religion and that is to love everyone, be kind and helpful to everyone and not be predjudiced... and to do unto others as I would have them do unto me. Religion is brainwashing, confuses people... all the churches around the world cost billions of dollars - think of all the good that money could really be doing, to help the sick, the poor and hungry, the homeless...etc etc. I have friends of many different religions... and do not let that stand in the way of our friendships. Animals deserve to be treated with respect and kindness, no matter what.
I have my own religion and that is to love everyone,be kind and helpfull to everyone and not be pedjudiced and do unto others as I would have them do unto me.You just recited the teachings of Jesus the Christian God.You claim not to be predjudiced but lump all religions into one evil lump.You better stop with the love everyone and do unto others as I would have them do unto me because you might get brainwashed.
Global un-rest(s) are linked to other reasons as well as religious
misgivings.
However; many religious disbutes often eminates from mis-calculated human psychology in terms of prominence and wish of control.
Many if not all our priceless educational institutions as well as historical carity-base-institutions are gracefully linked to religion in the true context of the word.
Our Birth and death seems to be generally managed by religious doctrines.
If killing animals without 'stunning them' or anesthesia is made the 'norm', what exactly did humans / carnivores do for the past 100,000+ years?
Mr T Rex - Sorry fellow dinosaur, please let me stun you before i devour you.
oh and the pic above looks a lot like pigs, something that muslims and jews wouldnt ritually kill
Those are sheep.
The commercial meat packing industry, which is not famous for putting animal welfare first, practices rendering animals unconscious before the slaughter. This is in itself a definitive argument for the practice.
The rabbi, the halal butcher, the CDA and SGP claim to know the mind of God, who apparently is dead set against a little alleviation of animal suffering. The liberals don’t seem to want to upset anyone who can vote.
Fortunately Labour is willing to go to bat for the beasts.
Non vegetarians should accept the following: Generally speaking, the animals they eat live a confined, tortured existence from the moment they are born/hatched till the moment they are slaughtered. This anaesthesia debate is window dressing.
"Ïf it wasn't good for the animals, then God would not have decreed that it should take place,"
Ya, like gods exists!
Saski, humans are social animals. A vast number of animals have hearts, lungs, kindeys, eyes, blood, etc., just like humans. In the scheme of the physical universe we are no more import or less important than other animals. A to being a social animal, we don't do a very good job at it. More lie anti-social animals we are! What other animals would nail a person to a cross?
Hiram,I once thought as you & Jasmin .I believe it a most hopeless perspective on life .I will address more in my response to Jasmin.I agree that humans are not always social-able creatures & often choose to do great evil.I believe humans are to be care-takers of the earth, its resources ,the animals etc. Obviously that task has not been managed well.Animals cannot "nail a person to a cross"...they cannot construct a cross or nails , but many predatory animals would happily slaughter & eat you if they were hungry.You raise several complex & historical issues that are too big for this space.More in the other reply.Ps.I know about animals...we once had a farm w/ animals & one of our children is a Wildlife Biologist- working in many countries - to protect endangered species :)
Wait for your wise reply, Saskia. Great to know that your child is a Wildlife Biologist- working in many countries - to protect endangered species....btw...predatory animals kill when they are hungry--for they are carnivores, we humans kill for pleasure, for taste and even when we are not hungry...and we are omnivores....and the animals we kill for food are herbivores! Have never heard of a cow, buffalo, chicken, lamb, goat, rabbit, deer, duck,or fish..slaughter others when hungry..Get your facts right!
Are you being serious, facetious or condescending ,Jasmin ? Your comments suggest you cannot be taken seriously. I cannot say whether my reply is "wise" but I can tell you that it is serious ,well considered & researched. I never said nor wrote that > "cow, buffalo, chicken, lamb, goat, rabbit, deer, duck,or fish..slaughter others when hungry." But I will say that some fish eat insects & other fish & inform you that those fish, as well as chickens & ducks are not herbivores like you stated...they are omnivores.Get your facts right ! I know all about those animals since we had most of those on a farm for many years. You should also exercise caution with your overstating...it exposes your inability to reason well & debate.Jasmin, I have studied animals for a long time - & still do.I enjoy animals especially elephants,dolphins & most birds. Did you know that fluffy rabbits often kill & eat their own off-spring ? and that predatory carnivorous animals will kill other animals even when they are not hungry ?( often for sport, to hone skills or self-defense )and did you know some animals will kill another but not eat it? Some,when they feel threatened like (Coypu/Nutria )will drown a small duckling and even small dogs. Some domestic animals will kill weak or injured family members (pigs, chickens, cats, dogs all do this ). Not all the animals killed by humans for food are herbivores...many are omnivores. Get your facts right ! Humans kill both animals & other humans for reasons other than the ones you listed. Like greed, jealousy, racism, and so on. Animals are interesting & fascinating. Some are even delicious & life sustaining (if eaten in moderation). I believe animals were created for many reasons. Some to be eaten ,some to be protected & managed, some to be viewed ,admired & studied. Some to act as companions & helpers.Humans were to act as stewards ,caretakers & managers.This has not been done well .It has been mismanaged ...usually due to human greed . The Kosher & Halal laws laws today are man's laws...not God's. We are no longer under those old laws & while it is always desirable that humans act humanely ,they often do not .It would be an impractical & unreasonable ban if given to isolated villagers in many poor countries (to acquire a stun gun before he slaughters a goat or chicken ,for example ) . But this is an issue for modern day Netherlands---Crazy ! I have lived here,my parents immigrated , & I have dual-citizenship here as well as USA where I was born . I think the fact that there are new visitors slaughtering goats at their homes & apartments in these western cities of Europe , as well as numerous shops advertising "Hand Slaughtered Meats " has drawn attention to this .This age old practice should not rudely intrude into these established host countries. They are not entitled to change everything about their new land . I don't like it & I am for the ban in a city , allowing the practice only in rural areas & on private farms. I would hope humane practices would be used & it usually is with established farmers ,but this is a hard thing to control.Religion is certainly not a license. Am I now talking about something else..yes...but there is more to this news article than just animal suffering..much more....There is culture -shock & a clash of cultures going on here .
Thanks for an enlightening lecture!
Thanks Hiram!
Jasmin ,
Humans are not animals too.
Are you the same Jasmin from India? A country where cows & some bugs have more value & rights than some women do ? I know it has improved considerably in the last 20 years.You have humans to thank for that fact...not animals.
Ridiculous! Nobody is talking about the animal's right to life! They are discussing the ways an animal will feel better before bleeding to death!And taking the shield of religion to justify the killings! We are animals too! We mourn the assaults on humans that lead to their death but feel right to kill animals!
Jasmin ,
Humans are not animals too.
Are you the same Jasmin from India? A country where co.ws & some bugs have more value & rights than some women do ? I know it has improved considerably in the last 20 years.You have humans to thank for that fact...not animals
Thanks Saskia! Yes, I am Jasmin from India. Humans are animals too-hope you are well-read and had Zoology as your subject in school! If not, then check this-Human beings are bipedal primates belonging to the mammalian species "homosapien" in the family Hominidae (the great apes). Yes, cows and some bugs have more values and rights in my country. We value animals and plants as they are important for the eco-system.As for the women's rights, as you rightly say-a lot has improved, and mind you-not all women are abused and not all men are abusers.There may be inter-personal clashes between them, and women demand a more meaningful role outside home, but on the whole-women are respected a lot in India. Every society has some people who are abusers. Even your society has people who abuse women and treat them as objects-women trafficking. The issue here was about animals. Animals need to be treated at par as they are the co-inhabitants of this earth. Humans do not own this earth. It is people like you, Saskia from Netherlands, who destroy other life-forms for self gratification.
I respond to each reply separately.Jasmin ,your comments display your habit of presumption.You take liberties of expanding on what was said or not said.You are often incorrect & it comes across as insulting.We disagree about many things ,but not everything.You stated >"We value animals and plants as they are important for the eco-system". My research does not indicate the "eco-system" factored into it. I read of sacred cow worship & the need to keep cows(that were once eaten )for early survival (to extend use of by products). I saw nothing that pointed to environmental eco-concerns . I agree that " Humans do not own this earth ". I believe that God created the earth, therefore the earth belongs to God. I am not "from Netherlands" and you have no idea (yet) what my thoughts are regarding animals.All you know is that I don't believe humans are animals too.I never said that all women in India were abused or all men were abusers.Yes, even in my current "society" women are often shamefully abused and sex-trafficking is a very serious problem all over the world today.It is also shameful that many folks today care more about animal suffering than the pain suffered by infants who are aborted. This not surprising if societies believe "humans are animals" are of equal value to animals.I will even use your comment >" who destroy other life-forms for self gratification." to describe this evil practice of infanticide.As for > "The issue here was about animals." I will remind you that that it was you, Jasmin, who got off track, & made the statement of comparing humans to animals.A statement that it not held by everyone , has not been proven, & therefore is up for debate & challenge. See my other replies.
Thanks Saskia! You got offtrack and brought India/Indians/Indian practices in this debate that was about animal slaughter in the Netherlands, which was uncalled for. It is insulting Saskia that you got offtrack and got personal--'You are the same Jasmin from India'-just because I am from India, had I been from any other Western country, you wouldn't have bothered to reply even, leave alone targetting their country and practices.And yes, I stand by my statement that we all are animals...Have a good day, and do not insult people just because they are not from US/NL!
Again you presume & error...I did not say >You are the same Jasmin...I asked if you were the same Jasmin.I was not getting off track ,nor was I insulting you . It would not have mattered what country you came from or live in.I was commenting on your comments in this open forum & you agreed with those comments I made regarding conditions in India-which were true & relevant to make my point.They were not insults nor meant to be offensive or personal. I challenged many of your stated-as-fact remarks & you were not able to deal with that .You ,on the other hand, responded with insults & sarcasm . I have noticed you reply to RNW on a regular basis & usually identify your country.I wanted to see if you were the same Jasmin who regularly gives a reply ( like Hiram ). Just because a person does not agree with you does not mean they are insulting you ,Jasmin. It is rather easy to state an opinion ...but it is quite another thing to defend it. If you are going to put your ideas out there for all to see & consider ... you should be prepared to defend them ...not just insult those who disagree with you .
And Saskia, I am entitled to have an opinion, and it is not necessary that I should agree with your every opinion, and defend mine in as many words....and that does not mean that I cannot deal with what you have to say.I have noted your points of view and stated mine...that's all I have to say!
Saskia, let us be honest, it was not fair to drag the name of my country and the practices-fair or unfair, in an unrelated topic! The clear signal was, (again my presumption, you can defend it, but this is what I felt)-That since Indians worship cows and some bugs(which I do not know, what bugs are you referring to),and abuse women, you have no right to comment about this topic and refer to humans as animals. Saskia, when I write on this forum, I represent my country India, but the opinion is solely mine, depending upon what the topic is, and yes, sometimes I do speak for my country too, when there is a need to defend it..I love debating/discussing issues and know how to agree to disagree withouting insulting, but that should be mutual Saskia! I agreed to what you said about women in India, because being a woman, we both should agree that- women in general are abused globally-the extent and manner differs according to their country. And yes, I comment here regularly since 2003, 'like Hiram'...
Jasmin, Regarding being "well-read " ...How well read are you ? I was taught evolution-as-fact in school. I no longer believe it. There is no evidence for it...it is only a theory...& weak at that . Books can say anything- you must put them/ideas to the test.If you acquaint yourself with another point of view ...we can perhaps this discuss further.See links >
http://www.nwcreation.net/evolutionfraud.html
http://creation.com/creation-scientists
http://bassethound.wordpress.com/2007/04/03/real-scientists-who-believe-...
http://www.creationists.org/outstanding-creation-scientists.html
http://www.creationists.org/former-evoltionists-who-became-young-earth-c...
http://www.aboundingjoy.com/scientists.htm
Saskia, the theories you do not believe in now, were also propounded by human scientists, and the theories that you do believe in now are also by human scientists, and these might get challenged in future! As far being my education, I am a dentist. And as for supporting my theory of we too being animals, check the various stages of human foetal development, from a single cell to full human form--you will be able to recognise the various stages of human evolution that are similar to foetal development of other animals! And that supports the theory that life on earth evolved from a single cell!
I remember that you wrote you are a dentist .I am familiar with human development...but I do not come to the same absurd conclusion. Even when some similarities can be made or seen , that is not supportive evidence for evolution....were you kidding ? Surely you jest.... read my links & maybe we can have a real discussion one day.
No, I am not jesting! Will see the links later and get back to you. Cheers!
Jasmin ,
Humans are not animals too.
Are you the same Jasmin from India? A country where co.ws & some bugs have more value & rights than some women do ? I know it has improved considerably in the last 20 years.You have humans to thank for that fact...not animals
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