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The State We're In - The right to sex

On air: 8 May 2010 0:30 (Photo: RNW)

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The State We're In, 8 May 2010: a second chance to hear our Gabriel Award winning piece "Babah’s day in court" in which a man from Sierra Leone finally goes to the Charles Taylor trial in The Hague to confront the man whose very voice still makes him shake with fear and outrage. Plus the right to sex - featuring the tempting tale of 63-year-old vixen Wendy Salisbury and the real-life Lysistrata perpetrated by Kenya's women. And 21-year-old Nathan Royle explains how he came to realise he was ‘asexual’. Finally, a professor of philosophy tells us what he did when on the day he was giving a lesson on the meaning of tolerance, a student walked in shrouded from head to toe in a burqa.

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Babah’s day in court
Charles Taylor is on trial at the International Criminal Court in The Hague, charged with committing war crimes in Sierra Leone. Babah Tarawally is from Sierra Leone, and now lives in the Netherlands. He saw the horrors of war first-hand, and remains traumatised by the experience. He’s avoided going to the trial out of fear of seeing Taylor in person. Until now. Babah goes to The Hague with host Jonathan Groubert to make what he calls his confrontation with history.
 
Link - The Special Court for Sierra Leone
 
Sex and the lady
Wendy Salisbury is the author of "The Toyboy Diaries". She loves sex. And she’s not embarrassed to say so. She’s also 63 years old. “We’re no longer little old ladies with grey hair queuing for our pensions in the local post office,” she says. Wendy tells Jonathan why she’s blazing a trail for her generation.
 
No sex please, we’re Kenyan
There’s been a political deadlock in Kenya since last year. To break it, some women organised a sex strike - to hit the men where it counts. Patricia Nyaundi was one of the organisers of the strike. She explains why she thinks it was a great idea.
 
The ‘a’ word
We speak with 21-year-old Nathan Royle from Adelaide, Australia who is one of a growing number of people from around the world who now describe themselves as ‘asexual’. He tells us what led to the realisation that he has no desire to have sex with anyone ever again.
 
The philosophical burqa dilemma

Brandon Robshaw is a professor of philosophy at a British college. On the day he was giving a lesson on the meaning of tolerance, a student walked in shrouded from head to toe in a burqa. Should he kick her out or let her stay? We asked Dr Robshaw what he decided to do.

  • Babah Tarawally from Sierra Leone<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Wendy Salisbury, 63, author of &quot;The Toyboy Diaries&quot;<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Patricia Nyaundi, Kenyan sex strike organiser<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Nathan Royle, from Adelaide, Australia, describes himself as &#039;asexual&#039;<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Dr Brandon Robshaw<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english

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Discussion

jasmin 14 May 2010 - 11:22am / India

The religious taboos always attract unwanted attention from the individual and the society. Nobody will though question, if a sixty year old woman still breathes in oxygen and exhales carbon dioxide; she still eats food; she still performs other body functions..Why are we so curious about what one does? And similarly, why should any dress provoke another person? Every individual has a right to wear what is comfortable for that person. The professor could have allowed that girl to retain her freedom of wearing a burqa, and he could have discussed his discomfort at an appropriate time. Though nobody here in India cares what one wears in public!

Anonymous 11 May 2010 - 7:30am / USA

I wasn't interested in hearing about a 60-year old woman picking up younger men for sex. I was moved to seriously consider ceasing to donate to support public radio -- it no longer relates to my interests.

gregkelly 12 May 2010 - 2:39am / Netherlands

I'm sorry that you feel this way. But I suspect your discomfort with the interview is very close to the reason why we did the interview in the first place: older people are thought of as sexless and are somehow supposed to behave accordingly. Her unapologetic attitude in pursuing a fulfilling sex life challenges the received notion that the elderly are sexless; and perhaps that's why it was discomforting to some. It seems to me, though, that challenging received notions about any group of people is exactly the kind of work public radio anywhere should be doing.
Sincerely,
Greg Kelly
Editor, TSWI

donross 11 May 2010 - 12:04am / USA / San Francisco

I think it's a sad state of affairs that a philosophy professor would dare ask a prospective student wearing a burqa if she'd remove it in his class -- how absurd!? I could see him asking if she could give him clues as to how she is receiving the information in his class. He hit it on the head when he realized her wearing the burqa ALLOWED her to even attend University. Perhaps his (I'm guessing) icy reception of her entering his class was the reason she didn't return. Shame!

I hope he'd treat a future student with the utmost care & respect should another wearing a burqa enter his classroom. Personally, I think he should turn in his university ID, and find another line of work. In my opinion, he cannot be that great of a teacher if he didn't instinctively handle this situation with more care, and certainly shouldn't be educating people, at least at this stage.

Anonymous 11 May 2010 - 2:34am / United States

I am shocked that some who is supposed to teach philosophy was completely unable to reflect on his reaction to a woman wearing a burqa. His fear regarding her disruption of his class was I think, much more a projection of his own disrupted thinking. There are so many rich and useful lines of thought regarding the meaning of how someone appears. Is it different than the color of one's skin? Perhaps she had just as little choice, it's hard to know.

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Jonathan Groubert 10 May 2010 - 2:45pm

Jonathan Groubert here. @RGC - While I can't actually speak for professor Robshaw, he said he took issue with anything that disturbed the class or interfered with communication. I can only guess that nudity would count as a disturbance.

@anonymous in the US - Wendy can only speak from her own experience, so if she says that she got a lot of criticism for her "toy boys" then we can only assume it's true. And let's not forget that she calls attention to herself by writing and blogging about it. This no doubt attracts a wide variety of responses, some positive and others, inevitably, quite critical.

Anonymous 9 May 2010 - 11:20pm / USA

I was first prompted to write in response to the story of the poor woman in her 60's who thought she had discovered something new and wonderful and slightly scandelous -- sex. Wendy, there are a lot of women over 60 who still enjoy sex, feel no need to explain or defend nor to troll for boy-toys. The last time I heard "your life ends at 60 (or 50, or any other age) was from my grandmother, who told me that is what she had been told, and it was not true. Since I am in my 60s, that conversation was a long time ago.

But if Wendy was amusing in her naivete, the professor was distressing in his intolerance and ignorance. First, the "burqa" is not "Islamic dress" anymore than suits are "Christian" or saris are Hindu. Second, they are not Arab dress, they are Afghan, nor "costumes." I suspect the young woman dropped his class after sensing, correctly, his discomfort, judgmentalism and hostility. He knows nothing of who she was, why she wore the veil, or why she was in the class yet was prepared to go to his university administration and seek a ban on her dress. He assumed it was oppressive and involuntary. What is the difference between his efforts to force her to take it off and his assumption(but not necessarily accurate assumption) that she was forced to wear it? He should have applauded - to himself - that a young person was interested in philosophy and in learning and accepted her as one would like to think he accepted all his other students, regaardless of their dress.

RGC 9 May 2010 - 10:16pm / USA

An interesting dilemma, that of the philosophy professor opposed to the burqa. Most cultures have some form of "When in Rome..." Would that be an approach?

I was hoping that your interviewer would ask how the prof would feel if a woman walked into his classroom wearing something less than a burqa... like a thong bikini. What if a man OR a woman walked in naked? What then?

Is it the burqa he's opposed to, or just a violation of the status quo - in either direction?

Anonymous 8 May 2010 - 5:22pm / Lalaland

While a person does not give up on sex, sex does not give up on the person. If we resist our passions, it is due more to their weakness than our own strength.

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