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The State We're In - Indigenous rights

On air: 10 October 2009 14:00 - 16 October 2009 14:00 (Photo: RNW)

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The State We’re In, 10 October 2009. A special programme on indigenous rights to mark Columbus Day in the US.
 


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Free to spend: In 2007, the Australian government introduced the ‘income management’ system for aboriginals in the Northern Territories. Welfare recipients have to use a special card in designated shops to pay for the ‘necessities of life’. Two aboriginal women the impact the ‘basics card’ has had on their lives.

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This week's theme is: indigenous rights.


Almost free
The Guarani are the Bolivia’s third largest indigenous people. Many of them have been virtual slaves to rich landowners. But we go to one settlement where some Guarani are now living with a sense of freedom and pride.

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Seeking recognition
The Upper Mattaponi tribe in Virginia were one of the first tribes to have contact with British settlers. A quirk of geography and history means they now have to fight for official recognition, a fight led by Chief Ken Adams.

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Hawaiian lives
In the year that Hawaii commemorates becoming the 50th US state, we talk to two men from different generations: Kimo and Lanakila. Both are fiercely proud of their heritage. But life hasn’t been easy, especially for Kimo remembers being told he couldn’t speak his native language.

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  • Barbara Shaw, an aboriginal from Alice Springs, Australia<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Elaine Peckham<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Kimo from Hawaii couldn’t speak his native language when he was young<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Kimo teaches Hawaiian<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Lanakila teaching Hawaii<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • The Guarani are the Bolivia’s third largest indigenous people<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english

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Discussion

Greg Kelly 16 October 2009 - 2:37pm
This is Greg Kelly, editor of TSWI. I'm not surprised that the story we did on the Basics Card in Australia provoked the number of intense reactions that it has. I'm from Canada originally, and stories featuring native peoples there tend to do the same. First I have to admit our error and say that getting the name of NT wrong is inexcusable, and ... Read Morewe've discussed that here. To the point made by some that our coverage was unbalanced, my response is that our coverage doesn't end with this one program. We're seeking aboriginal voices who may have a different, more positive, experience with the measures taken. Those voices have proven exceptionally difficult to get to, but we're still pursuing them. If you can help us, please let us know.
Al Riz 15 October 2009 - 1:40am
I can see the point of Australian people who complain about the missing context. When we are talking about context how about more historical context on how the aboriginal people came to the state where they were using all their pension in substance abuse. Did it just happen naturally or there is more to this story on systemic devastation of Aboriginal people in Australia. A question I want to ask is, the rule of substance abuse causing 50% of your pension/unemployment to be only used food only, does that apply to all Australian? If not why not? So if in another territory if the rate of substance abuse goes above some threshold (same as Northern Territory) should all Australian in that territory be subjected to this all. I think making laws or rules for a particular race is not democracy but racism. Aboriginal people should have same if not more rights than any other people living on their land.
Irene Buckler 15 October 2009 - 5:46am
Al, Logically, the 50%-on-necessities requirement, which applies to welfare payments made to Indigenous Australians living in remote and troubled communites would also be required of all non-Indigenous Australian recipients of welfare payments if the same stats relating to alcohol and substance abuse applied in the general community. If the majority of non-Indigenous welfare recipients in Australia habitually spent 100% of their pensions on substance abuse, leaving the tax payer to further pick up the bill of feeding and clothing their families, there would be an absolute uproar! By the way, it might interest you and others to know that while you may consider the 50%-on-necesssities provision to be unbeneficial, Aboriginal Australians benefit grealty from positive discrimination policies, as well. These policies ensure that Aboriginal Australians' have much greater access to education (at all levels), employment opportunities, promotion and subsidized housing than non-Indigenous Australians. So you see, in important instances, Aboriginal Australians have more rights than their non-Indigenous countrymen.
Bunbajee 2 November 2009 - 5:57am
Justifying injustice, can't be done sorry! All these excuses about 'benefits Aboriginal Australians get must then balance out the oppression of forced income management' are wrong & just another example of how the ignorant or ill-informed brush off misguided policies that won't work & justify the subtle destruction of socio/cultural integrity. In any case, the statistics of life expectancy, literacy & employment defy the expected outcomes from your dillusional assumptions. Fair enough us Blackfellas gotta step up & strengthen our communities but this won't happen with controls all but taken away from us as individuals & policy which looks to blackmail communities for services the wider Australian community get for free. Treat us collectively with dignity & respect & you will definetly see more progress than before...
Peg 13 October 2009 - 5:28pm
How do I find the interview of Hawaiian elementary school teacher Kimo Kila(?) of Hilo, Hawaii broadcast on NPR on Sunday 10/10/09?
Greg Kelly 16 October 2009 - 2:39pm
Simply play the program and you'll hear it during the last 20 minutes of broadcast. Scroll up from your comment and you'll see the icon to press. The State We're In
Irene Buckler 13 October 2009 - 4:19am
What a can of worms you have opened up. Yes, it certainly is paternalistic to require Indigenous Australian welfare recipients to spend 50% of their pensions on the necessities of life and if it weren't for European colonialism, Indigenous Australians almost certainly would not, when free to regulate their own welfare spending, choose to spend 100% of their pensions on alcohol. However, given the present circumstances, it seems a very reasonable move to quarantine 50% of Indigenous pension payments for the provision of the the necessities of life, rather than substance abuse.
Anonymous 12 October 2009 - 10:34pm
Australians should hand back Australia to the Aboriginals. They are the REAL Australians every other white person in Australia are originally from Europe. It's not your country!! First it was White Australia migration policy where non whites were not allowed to migrate to Australia. Then Aboriginals was not seen as human until 1970s, they were classified as fauna and flora. Do you white Australians know it's not even your country? Shame on all you Ozzies!! I don't think the Aboriginals wanted you there in Australia the first place!
Robert Stillwell 10 October 2009 - 3:19pm
The report on the Basics Card in the Northern Territory was easily in the top five worst pieces of journalism that I have been exposed to in the ten years since I was capable of judging. I'm sorry to say it, but your presenter was a disgrace to intelligence. As Anonymous @6:01am above has pointed out, if anyone with a Basics Card wants to spend more than 50% of their welfare payment on basic items, then he or she is welcome to dip into the other 50% which they receive in cash. An issue only arises, then, if people are finding that they'd prefer to spend LESS than 50% of their payment on basics and therefore the rest would be in some sense wasted. Your presenter's failure to comprehend this simple point beggars belief! And it is hard to believe that an editor ran his or her eye over the piece without picking this up either! These are personal epithets, but your inexcusable error has had professional consequences also, because the fact that virtually the only comments you broadcast of the two women were along the lines of 'we can't buy food because we'd need to spend more than 50% of our payment on it' leads your audience to believe that this is their main gripe, which plays into the stereotype of Aboriginal Australians as people who blame others and whinge about things that are actually under their own control. (It's possible that this was in fact the only thing that your interviewees did complain about, in which case the stereotype would be justified in this case, but since you stunningly failed to point out their error of logic I am left with the assumption that they did have other realistic complaints that you chose not to air.) My above comments refer exclusively to the aspect of this situation that can be explained purely in terms of money and where it is spent. The much more important aspect of this situation, in my view, is the question of paternalism, and especially the question whether or not the degree of social breakdown experienced in certain Northern Territory communities justifies a level of paternalism that would otherwise be unacceptable (as pointed out by Charles Macdonald above). This might lead to a discussion on how to balance the rights of children and women not to be routinely abused with the rights of welfare recipients not to have their lives interfered with by the state. Your presenter, to his credit, did mention paternalism, although the fact that he merely devoted a few sentences to it and spoke the word like it was the heading of a Year 7 high school project indicates that he entirely missed its importance to this issue, preferring instead to focus on standard tear-jerking images like people having their groceries returned to the shelves from the checkout. Lift your game. By the way, it is gratifying to learn that idiocy is not confined exclusively to radio presenters but also finds a home quite comfortably in people who comment on their shows. Gary Wakelin, I suggest you look up the word "paternalism" in the dictionary. Re "At what point are the taxpayers of Australia (obviously different to every other taxpayer in the world) in that they are not alowed to have some control over how their taxes are spent.": you have entirely missed the point. Does this occur with ANY non-Aboriginal Australians? It certainly doesn't for those on welfare payments due to being out of work or due to being students. P.S. I won't bother with the other 50,000 rants you managed to squeeze in towards the end there, but just incidentally may I suggest taking a breath between sentences next time? Otherwise you'll run the risk of coming across as a bigoted, dim-witted, redneck loser and then you'll feel sad.
Darcel 10 October 2009 - 6:25am
Excellent Program. Should be aired on Network Television. I was especially touched by the story of the Mattapoi Tribe. Americans are so narrow in their views of other cultures and so very disrespectful. When will they ever learn!

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