The State We're In, 14 August 2010. Military rabbis have been directing Israeli soldiers to see combat as a matter of faith. A former soldier explains why he’s repulsed by what he calls “holy war”. A Palestinian doctor’s belief in God helps him forgive the loss he endured when three of his daughters were killed by Israeli tank fire. And Samuel Maoz, director of the film "Lebanon" talks about his time as a tank gunner in the 1982 war and the morality of kill-or-be-killed situations.
Photo: An Israeli tank is seen near one of the many Israeli guard towers that are used to monitor the border with the Gaza Strip as it is prepared for fighting, January 2009.
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God in uniform
Military rabbis have been encouraging Israel’s soldiers to see their combat operations as a matter of faith. Eran Efrati was a soldier for over three years and found the idea of fighting a ‘holy war’ repulsive.
Tragedy and reconciliation
Israel’s Operation Cast Lead in 2009 left over 1,000 Palestinian civilians dead according to human rights organisations. Dr. Izzeldin Abuelaish’s house in Gaza was shelled twice by an Israeli tank. Three of his daughters were killed. Yet his message is resolute: peaceful reconciliation is the only way forward.
Find out more about his foundation: Daughters For Life.
A tank’s eye view
Samuel Maoz is the director of the celebrated film "Lebanon" which shows his first 24 hours as an Israeli tank gunner in Israel’s 1982 war in Lebanon. He tells Jonathan about the moral minefields he encountered when life and death were the pull of a trigger away.
























Thanks to you all for your wonderful and emotional responses. Journalistic impartiality prevents me from commenting on whether or not Dr. Abuelaish should get the nobel prize, but her certainly has made great sacrifices in the name of peace.
This program is more than an eye-opener: it can change the way people think. Thank you for having the courage and honesty to present it to us. We need to hear it.
If there were an ounce of honesty in this world, the Nobel Peace prize would not have gone to President Obama but instead to a man who actually lives the way we'll ever get to Peace. The Peace Prize to Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish !
I was just going to write that this brave Palestinian doctor should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, when I saw John How's comments. We must not let this opportunity go!
Before I moved to the States, I used to teach English on the West Bank during my school holidays to children and adults whose places of education had been closed by the Israelis. My main recollection was that not once did I hear anyone criticise the Israel army or the settlers who lived in their midst. Palestinian life was intolerable, but they still referred to the Israelis as their "cousins." Dr. Abu al-Aish must receive this prize!
Great show today.....Thank You
Thanks to everyone at The State We're In and to RNW for bringing us this wonderful show again. I greatly appreciate it.
It's heartbreaking to realize the children - everyone, really - lived - or died - as a result of a completely random selection made, I'm sure, by no one - the process is an artifact of the public's helplessness. I have heard this segment several times by now. I have no wonderful wisdom to offer. It wasn't God's will, to my knowledge. I don't know why it happened. But nevertheless it makes me very sad.
It's hard to know what to say. The doctor has just said that after a screening of his movie everyone sat around without saying a word for five or ten minutes. And then someone said "we should go for a drink". That's the way I feel now - as though I should "go for a drink". At the very least (since I'm now very old) it would be a good idea for me to go and find friends and stand them some drinks and have a coffee for myself. I can't reproduce this at all. I'm at home, alone, it's very, very late, everyone's asleep (I have insomnia) and everything's closed, anyway.
But there's been one change. I don't know what it means, but the first couple of times I listened to the poor doctor's anguished screams I couldn't bear to listen. This time, I listened and just murmured quietly to myself, "That poor man."
I wonder if he knows what he's done for the world. He's done a great deal.
I must go back to bed. ;)
Deirdre MacKenzie, in Passmore, BC, Canada
I would appear that the Palestinian / Israeli current state of tragic affairs continues due to the fact that it has simply become "the daily norm to the extent that hatred has now become engrained in both sides". IMHO, the only way that this malaise can be broken is to broaden the scope of understanding and involvement to a far wider global audience. It is through efforts such as your interview with Dr. Ezzeldeen Abu al-Aish that this can happen. Personally, my eyes were opened following discussions with a Palestinian expat / business associate now residing in Canada . The terrible state of affairs is simply wrong, the time has come to look past the who did what to whom when, and look for a solution. Having recently read the amazing doctor's book, it would appear that there is a glimmer of hope. We must support such peaceful efforts - shame on us if we do not as there are too many fundamentally good people - on either side - that deserve the opportunity to simply live in peace.
Carpe diem
DC
Thank you for the excellent interview with Samuel Maoz. It was very powerful.
the doctor i8sright. regardless of being jewish, muslic, israeli, or palestinian... the key to peace is to understand one another. understanding each other in an honest human level and not to address the mistakes both sides made... thing is many with this view feel like it is a losing battle. hate and emotion overcomes logic and blinds us. but the doctor contiues his message after losing so much. anger, rage, and hate do not control him and he contiues his path. he gives many strength. good people on both sides should never give up. you cant give up.
Thank you for the amazing interview you had with the Palestinian doctor who had lost his 3 daughters and still stood for peace and non-violence.
I wish more media in U.S. showed the human side of the Palestinians and their treatments by the Israelis. Some of us in U.S. are so immersed by the pro-Israeli, anti-Arab narrative that we lose sight of the absurd occupation that the Israelis have imposed on the Palestinian people for so long.
Please continue to lift the curtain on the humanity that's shining there.
Peace,
Kia
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