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The State We're In - Crossing the border

On air: 3 June 2010 0:30 (Photo: RNW/Shannon Young)

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The State We're In, 5 June 2010. The promises and perils of crossing the Mexican-American border to work in the US. What it’s like to cross from a Palestinian checkpoint into Israel to work. And how child labour can actually be a good thing.

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Migrants on the move
With immigration still a hot-button issue in the US, writer and musician Ruben Martinez talks to Jonathan about the complex realities of crossing the border. And Shannon Young experiences a simulated border-crossing in Central Mexico. We also meet a Honduran migrant worker who’s been deported from both the US and Mexico while crossing illegally - and he’s still determined to return to the US to see the two daughters he left behind there.

Workers of the field, unite! 
Contributor Andrew Stelzer presents a story about a coalition of farm workers based in Immokalee, Florida - many of them undocumented migrants - who’ve taken on big food corporations and modern-day slave operations... and won. 

Little workers of San Cristóbal
The words "child labour" conjure up images of exploited children. But as contributor Jean Friedman-Rudovsky reports from San Cristóbal de las Casas, Mexico, sometimes the picture isn’t so bad. She follows a brother and sister at work, at school and at home.

Terminal crossing
Rana Qumsiyeh is a Palestinian woman in Bethlehem. Her job's in Jerusalem, just fifteen kilometres away, but the journey takes her between one and two hours because of the time she spends at the checkpoint. She tells Jonathan how smiling at the crossing landed her in trouble.

Don't smile please
If you are applying for a new British passport the form states that the passport photo must be a neutral expression with your mouth closed, no grinning, frowning or raised eyebrows. A commentary by Chris Chambers laments the ban on smiling as he attempts to renew his own passport.

  • Simulated border crossing - El Alberto, Mexico<br>&copy; Photo: RNW/Shannon Young - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Crosses representing all the undocumented migrants who died crossing the border in Arizona<br>&copy; Photo: flickr/detritus - http://www.flickr.com/photos/61016948@N00/60880877/
  • US border - Nogales, Mexico<br>&copy; Photo: flickr/Daquella manera - http://www.flickr.com/photos/daquellamanera/552961012/in/photostream/
  • Anti-immigration protest sign<br>&copy; Photo: flickr/AFH3 - http://www.flickr.com/photos/77437809@N00/126807514/
  • Rana Qumsiyeh<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english
  • Chris Chambers&#039; passport photo<br>&copy; Photo: RNW - http://www.rnw.nl/english

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Discussion

Holly 15 June 2010 - 7:03pm / USA

Thank you for these well done, stirring stories. The one about smiling being verbotten in the Terminal was especially affecting and I've been thinking about it all week. Hurrah for the human spirit that persists even despite such insidious, such cold indignities. Wonderful, enlightening program.

A poem by Richard Tillinghast on a similar subject, 'What is Not Allowed,' appeared in The Irish Times on June 5th.

Ellen Heyman, Ph.D. 6 June 2010 - 11:01pm / U.S.A.

I was shocked today at the story about the Palestinians crossing into Israel for the biased pro-Palestinian way in which the subject was presented. The Palestinian woman interviewed spoke about an incident where a man smiled and an Israeli soldier told him not to. The man argued with the soldier and was removed from the line. She then assumed that he would be beaten or jailed.
The reasons for the checkpoint were never stated, only the inconvenience to the Palestinians highlighted. The woman was never questioned about her assumptions about what happened to the man, nor about why she thought there were checkpoints, let alone any political ideas or affiliations she might have. This was a very poor piece of reporting, where the interviewer (Jonathan Mayer?) commiserated with the interviewee, rather than questioning her, or presenting any context for the situation.
What was not stated was that Israel was forced to institute such checkpoints because of four years of terrorist attacks within Israel that intentionally killed and maimed innocent civilians, including children. This second Intifada did not end until the Israelis monitored who could enter Israel via these checkpoints.
The Palestinians of the West Bank are allowed into Israel to work, once they have demonstrated that they are only going to work and not to commit criminal acts within Israel. Why they believe that they are entitled to enter Israel to work without such screening is mind-boggling. They obviously find it worth it to go through the checkpoints for the better work and educational opportunities in Israel. Would they prefer that they did not have this right at all? To me, the checkpoints are not a gratuitous humiliation or repression, but rather an attempt to allow them opportunities. It might be easier for Israel to seal off the West Bank and not allow the population to work or go to school or for medical care in Israel.
Where is the recognition that though dealing with a hostile population, Israel bends over backwards to allow this? How many other countries in the same situation would do so?
Where is the questioning of the woman in this piece about the contribution of the Palestinians to this state of affairs? Have they no responsibility for their own actions or those of their elected leaders (including the election of Hamas?)
Once again, NPR has allowed itself to be a tool of Palestinian propaganda by giving a Palestinian free rein to tell her side of the story without context or questioning.
Ellen Heyman, Ph.D.

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Greg Kelly 7 June 2010 - 2:09pm / Netherlands

Ellen: I'm sorry that this item strengthened your opinion that NPR (we're not actually NPR but Radio Netherlands Worldwide) is pro-Palestinian, or perhaps more precisely, anti-Israel.  There's very little to do with the borders between the territories and Israel that isn't cause for argument from one quarter or another.  But do allow me to correct your observation that we didn't state why the checkpoints are in place.  In fact, we did -- in the introduction to the piece, saying that they're intended to prevent attacks within Israel.  True, we didn't ask her about this directly, but we were approaching her for her experiences, not her analysis.  My sense is that our program is and has been even-handed on issues surrounding the region: you may want to listen for yourself to the first show we did in 2010 about new beginnings ("A Fresh Start" January 2) which features a moving conversation with two teenage women, one Palestinian and one Israeli, about their friendship.  Or another show ("Enlisting God" February 6) featuring the director of "Lebanon", a former Israeli soldier, and a Gazan doctor who works in Israel.  And I do hope you keep listening to TSWI, as we value the input from our listeners, including criticisms such as yours.  Greg Kelly, Editor TSWI

Bec215 6 June 2010 - 9:47pm / United States

Why is the US singled out for it's immigration policies regarding Mexico? Mexico has the same "closed border" policy in the southern part of Mexico, to prevent other even more poor Latin Americans from illegally entering Mexico. Talk about hypocrisy!!!!

And what would the Dutch people do if a poor, non-Dutch-speaking country like, for example, Albania, offered citizens of Albania 3 EUR for every 1 EUR Albanians sent from the Netherlands to Albania? That is what the Mexican Federal government offers Mexican villages who send people illegally to the US to work. It's a travesty.

I advocate a rational policy to pick a date, have amnesty for anyone in the country prior to that date with a path to citizenship where the illegals are sent to the end of the immigration line behind everyone immigrating legally, and anyone who tries to enter after is immediately deported upon discovery - just as ANY country would do to illegal immigrants. This would improve wages for migrant workers by bringing them formally into the system, while not 'rewarding' illegal immigrants for their behavior, when thousands of legal immigrants have followed all the proper procedures.

This program infuriates me, and I am usually arguing on behalf of immigrants to my family and friends, since I lived in southern California and I know the work they do. But your attitude that somehow illegal immigrants from Mexico have a RIGHT to come to the US, where, by the way we do not impose anything like the Netherlands "Wet inburgering" forced assimilation law, is just so hypocritical, I can't stand it!

I love your program usually, but this time you've gone so far beyond the pale, I can't fathom what your producers were thinking. Unlike prior ethnic immigration waves -which were LEGAL immigrants, by the way - when people forced their children to learn English and assimilate within a generation, the Latino immigrants feel no such compulsion, which makes it harder for their families to climb out of poverty long-term.

And if we did impose a Dutch kind of assimilation law, the US would be tarred with even WORSE of an anti-immigrant brush - likely be Europeans who don't have to deal with the volume of illegal immigrants the US does. When the Netherlands is facing a tide of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of people trying to illegally enter the country, and MILLIONS more who would try if the border weren't so difficult to break through, you will understand why I have zero sympathy for the difficulty the migrants face getting here.

If we didn't have so many illegal immigrants, wages would rise, machines would do more of the backbreaking labor that we're criticized for allowing them to do. Ironically, by coming here illegally and being willing to work in intolerable conditions, they are perpetuating their own circumstances. Americans need to learn what is the real cost of food and labor, but that won't happen so long as there is a huge and willing pool of illegal immigrants artificially supressing the cost of production.

Frank500 21 June 2010 - 9:40pm / USA

Bec, I totally agree (as I'm sure most do). My question is why would these people waste so much time trying to get here against the law instead of trying to become a US citizen (like my great grand-father did!). That really blows me away! If America is SO great I would think people would be lining up to become citizens!

M. de la T. 10 June 2010 - 5:45am / México

Mexico does have a closed border policy on the south, where immigrants from Central and South America try to cross in order to go to the USA. I know that immigrants coming into Mexico suffer much more than immigrants crossing into the USA. Profiling is also quite common on Mexico's southern border.

I couldn't agree more that Mexico and USA would have to find a way for making this trade legal. I also agree that latin immigrants take the jobs USA citizens don't want to do, and they do it for much more less than an american would.

Unfortunately, the problem is much more complex than it seems. The USA has its set of problems for illegal immigrants. Mexico, on the other hand, has its own set of problems with the drug war we are currently living in. A problem closely related to the USA and its border. The USA is introducing weapons into Mexico illegally, and they are the number one "customers" for the drugs produced in Mexico and South America, and it all happens in this thin line defined as a border. This war is making people go to the USA in search for a better honest life. Who's fault is it? Both countries have a lot to blame, but as long as economic and politicians interests are involved, we will keep throwing the ball at each other, while a few people are making "a hell of a business" with drugs and guns. The USA should control its border to prevent illegal immigrants the same way Mexico should control its own border to stop guns & drugs trade. Honestly, it's not going to happen. The USA will continue to produce guns and consume drugs. Mexicans will continue to immigrate in search for a better chance.

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Greg Kelly 7 June 2010 - 7:28am / Netherlands

Dear Bec215:

Immigration everywhere is an explosive issue.  I'm sorry that you felt this piece was in favour of illegal immigration.  In our view, it wasn't.  The piece explicitly acknowledges that the Honduran man was deported from both the US and Mexico and that he was subject to what amounts to racial profiling within Mexico.  Our overall aim was to get at the heart of why people are breaking the law, risking their lives (and sometimes losing them) to cross into the US.  As we heard, the need to make money was only one issue.  At no point did we endorse any position that doing so was tantamount to a "right" on anyone's part.  We have in the past featured an interview with a Somalian man who engaged in piracy to make enough money so he could start his own business.  He endorsed the idea of any young man doing likewise; the show did not.  We trust that our listeners will make up their own minds, as you have so clearly articulated yourself when it comes to the border issue in California.  Greg Kelly, Editor TSWI.

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