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Honestly... is that the best both Petunia & Steven can offer up ? Resorting to name calling is childish, and both of you really had nothing interesting to say on the subject ...are you both still in grammar school ?
I will admit that the last lady speaker in the video was not articulate or good at stating her position & when she said > "we are right ,& they are wrong " she sounded as silly as Steve & Petunia .
I am uniquely prepared to comment on these issues. I am Dutch American with 2 passports . I have lived in both countries . I have family in both as well.For various reasons I will guess that neither of you are that familiar w/ either the Dutch or the Americans.
I grew up quite liberal ,& am now quite conservative. I have children & grandchildren, most of my Dutch family have none, & will not have any , & some have committed suicide. It is a well-known fact that modern Dutch prefer vacations & dogs over having children...& most consider raising children to be too expensive .
What you did not see on this very liberal news site (did you know that RNW is one of the most liberal news sources in Nederland and not considered as seriously as some of the others ? )...what was not shown here were not only the opposing views (who chickened out and did not show up to the conference ) but the views of the many Dutch conservatives who were in attendence. Odd.....it makes one think that Radio Netherlands had this in mind when they posted this story. So much more could be said, but what is the point ? RNW did not give the readers much substance to work with .