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Complaint against Wilders goes to UN

Published on 17 November 2011 - 11:48pm
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Three members of the Dutch-Moroccan community have made an official complaint to the United Nations Human Rights Committee against anti-Islam Freedom Party leader Geert Wilders. They accuse him of inciting hatred against Muslims.

They are being represented by Ties Prakken, the lawyer who earlier this year represented a number of minority groups in the Dutch trial of Mr Wilders for inciting hatred, discriminating against Muslims and insulting immigrants.

The Dutch court acquitted him on all counts and no further appeal is possible in the case in the Netherlands.

Ms Prakken has chosen to go to the UN committee because she thinks the move is more likely to succeed than going to the European Court of Human Rights. The UN treaty on civil rights, explicitly says that the state should protect citizens against incitement to hatred.

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eslaporte 27 November 2011 - 4:25am / USA

I hope that the plaintiffs get justice and get some type of ruling against the increasingly radicalized Dutch state. This should also be viewed as justice for the Dutch people who have also been duped into supporting Wilders and his myths of “Islamisation.” I don’t hold my breath in these institutions –and other options, like the Council of Europe, and other European and international institutions should be tried. The Netherlands need to be brought to account for the failure to protect all of its people!

This method of holding the Dutch state to account for allowing Wilders to continue - and play kingmaker - must have some justice for those affected. The Dutch state has gladly failed in its obligation to protect Dutch people who practice Islam. This is shameful, as the Netherlands has historically been a nation of religious minorities and tolerance is a Dutch tradition. Wilders, along with Fortuyn and van Gogh, worked to destroy the great Dutch tradition, as well as Dutch culture. The Netherlands is no longer itself - and something must be done to shock the Dutch back into their great culture and traditions.

It is right to prosecute and punish hate speech that has this type of damaging effects on the national culture of the Dutch nation. Wilders has committed a crime against the Dutch people by duping them into believing the myths and outright lies about "Muslims." The appeal against Wilders is also to obtain justice for the Dutch people for being duped by this anti-Dutch "PVV" leader. The spreading of myths about Muslims in the Netherlands in a political climate that does not lend itself to proper debate – and does this type of tremendous damage to the nation - is simple not “free speech” and must never be regarded as “free speech.” This is the offense of slander and defamation of a whole group of people, and slander and defamation are never “free speech!”

I am currently working on a report on the anti-Muslim and outright Islamophobic practices of the Dutch intelligence service, AIVD, and the other continued lie that "there are Islamist terrorists all over the Netherlands." The dubious practices of the AIVD are justified by the Theo van Gogh murder and amount to social control and exclusion of Muslims, not legitimate “counter-terrorism!” No real evidence exists to prove this claim that “there are Islamists terrorists all over the Netherlands.” The AIVD is driven by the Islamophobic/anti-Left domestic politics, not actually security threats. This, and other policies, like the restrictions on immigration from non-Western countries, as well as AIVD practices motivated by LPF-PVV politics is something that European and international human rights institutions need to take a look at. I wonder if I can file a “friend of the court” brief and this is something I will look into…

ftkin 27 November 2011 - 10:20am / USA

Could you be specific about what myths/lies about Muslims Wilders has promoted?

ProWilders 25 November 2011 - 4:30pm / Poland

As far as I know, Netherlands is a post-Enlightenment country, so everybody, including Mr. Wilders is free to criticise ANY religion. I personally renounce Islam, Christianity and any other universalist religion which does proselytise people and destroy the local, ethnic traditions. Mr Wilders has NEVER insulted any person because of his/her religious views, only the religious ideas themselves; and everyone should be free to INSULT RELIGION and to criticise it in whatever way he/she wants to. If I want to say that Muhammad was a supertitious chief from the desert, I should be free to say so (the same about Jesus, Moses, etc). There is a lot criticism against Christianity and Judaism in mass culture, eg. Monty Python movie pictures, Da Vinci Code, books by Umberto Eco (The ame of the Rose), etc. so why shouldn't there be similiar criticism against islam?

As for the UN, what can they do to the Netherlands? It's patently stupid to call for their help, otherwise may this brainless and gutless organization take care about freedom of speech and religion in the Muslim countries, some of which punish leaving islam with death sentence and forbid or discriminate against other religions. What about Saudi Arabia, where wearing a cross is a criminal offense? What about Iran (and Saudi Arabia, Pakistan etc), where apostasy from islam is punishable with death?

eslaporte 27 November 2011 - 4:38am

The problem is that the crime that Wilders has committed has nothing to do with being critical of religious faiths. What Wilders has done (like Fortuyn before him), is to create myths about Muslims that have NO grain of truth to them. First of all, go and check demographic information on who is migrating to the Netherlands. You will find the vastly more people are migrating from your own country of Poland than Morocco and Turkey combined. There are social scientific studies that indicate that being “Dutch” and “Muslim” are not exclusive.

Are you also aware that the fastest growing religious faith in the Netherlands is atheism?

The Netherlands is a nation of religious minorities. Wilders, like Fortuyn, is anti-Dutch and not “defending the Dutch nation” – but tearing it down, every last bit that has not been taken out by “Theo” and “Pim.” Pim Fortuyn was NO hero, but a nasty villain that hated everything that the Dutch nation helped to pioneer.

Wilders myths about Dutch Muslims has also destroyed the Dutch tradition of tolerance that had its roots in the religious pillar system. Wilder has committed his hate speech crimes against the entire Dutch nation, and not just Dutch Muslims!

What is wrong with a “Moroccan” or “Turkish” pillars? Let the Dutch re-establish the religious-ethnic pillar system and re-establish the Dutch tradition of tolerance!

Anonymous 23 November 2011 - 12:23pm / Bahrain

Shame on those shameless immigrants... For me, Mr. Wilders did nothing wrong - exposing the naked truth about the brutality of islam is not an act of hatred!

Antiburka 22 November 2011 - 4:22pm / Netherlands

It's just more intimidation of Muslems against Wilders. If anything incites hatred, it's the Koran and its hateful message of violence; the UN should seize this occasion to get it banned.

ProWilders 25 November 2011 - 4:37pm / Poland

exactly. It was a MUSLIM fanatic who killed Theo van Gogh, the movie director who made a picture about the abuses of islamic doctrines. It was a band of MUSLIM fanatics who planted bombs that killed dozens of people in London, Madrid and Moscow subways. It was MUSLIM fanatics who attacked the theater in Dubrovka, Moscow, and a primary school in Beslan, Chechnya. It was MUSLIM fanatcis who landed 2 planes on WTC towers. It was and IS MUSLIM fanatics who threaten people like Salman Rushdie (critic of islam) or Aayan Hirsi Ali (ex-muslim woman). It's MUSLIM countries where apostasy and even criticism of islam is punishable with death. It's MUSLIM countries where raped women are being punished for "adultery". It's MUSLIM regime in Iran that sentences gay men to be hanged for their sexual relations and actually hangs them (even the adolescent teenagers). Should I enumerate more, or would the thinking people see how sucked are the doctrines of islam?

eslaporte 27 November 2011 - 5:15am

To call yourself “ProWilders” is to wish the destruction of democracy and freedom of the Dutch people. You have no understanding of what Wilders would do to his own nations should he get his filthy hands on government. Wilders’ proposed policies would turn the Netherlands into a rouge, pariah nation. You want this for the Dutch people? Over the silly myths of “Islamisation?” Geert Wilders and the PVV are a direct threat to democracy and freedom in the Netherlands! SHAME ON YOU!

Second of all, I have both Buruma’s "Murder in Amsterdam" and Eyerman's "The Assassination of Theo van Gogh." I am using these two book especially to analysis the justification for Dutch counter terrorism practice. This infamous murder was probably the work of a low-level street gang (Mohammed Bouyeri) member to gain status in his street gang (Hofstad groep). This murder of Theo was probably just an act of murder by a street gang member.

The most serious event terrorist event in the Netherlands occurred on April 30 (Queen’s Day) 2009, in Apeldoorn, when Karst Tates rammed his little black Honda into parade watchers. Tates killed six people, including himself, and injured dozens of others. The flying bodies were witnessed by Prince William and Princess Máxima, as well as people watching on television.
This was a terrorist attack on the Dutch royals, but since Karst Tates is not a Muslim, well, it’s just a criminal attack.

Yet – the murder of Theo is justification for the repression of Muslims, including their ability to form legitimate political groups to engage in the political life of their own country. Religious freedom of Muslims is suppressed by threats of so-called “personal disruption measures.” The condition of muslims in the Netherlands are human rights violations and not “counter-terrorism.” The truth is that the abuse of the Theo van Gogh murder is outrageous!

Anonymous 21 November 2011 - 7:20am / United states

All I can say is waaa waaa waaa! Haven't they read the qur'an and hadith of muhammad? They are the guide books for hating!!!!

Froggy 19 November 2011 - 9:48pm / France

One thinks what one wants about Geert Wilders, but he channels islamo-skepticism into a peaceful track. Reactions are becoming more and more agressive:
In order to prevent a mosque being built, pieces of pork have been scattered or buried in the ground

In Spain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4efflXQP0
In France
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir2CVORbo8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXcllu9T_kg
A sport getting accrued interest; burning or sullying a koran
http://rutube.ru/tracks/4984540.html?v=3c23879c84188cd9658fc3e3dc543c80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSavdgs-RbU&feature=related

Spreading in Denmark:
http://catholicforum.fisheaters.com/index.php?topic=1558665.0

A "euro-regionalist" group, the "Bloc Identitaire" had broadcast the muezzin call to waken up the inhabitants of a neighbourhood of Bordeaux and warn them about the project of a mosque building:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFqY2vBOEt0

ProWilders 25 November 2011 - 4:43pm / Poland

How do you think, Froggy, why NO OTHER minority experiences any such problems? Nobody protests building of sikh temples, neo-pagan or heathen shrines, buddhist or hindu ashrams, various Christian churches of less popular denominations, freemason meeting halls, etc. Furthermore, few people (if any) would protest against build a temple of Satan - as I know, Church of Satan owns some here and there. Why then is it islam that raises so many questions and protests related to places of worship, etc?

Antiburka 22 November 2011 - 4:29pm / Netherlands

Froggy you call that aggressive? As compared to blowing up newspaper offices and attempts to assassinate everyone who dares oppose Islam? All the means you list are non-violent as well. Nobody got hurt, which is not the way Islamics operate, who daily execute terror and oppression all over the world.

Pat 19 November 2011 - 11:59am / UK

Most all of you commenters here are so damned ignorant it's sickening ! Geert Wilders is not the one violating human rights ! Those Islamics have backward, religious fanatic ideas and they want to impose them on a democratic country-as usual. They have NO RIGHT to come to Holland ( or any other non-Muslim country and tell it to abide by THEIR wishes ,practices,or habits. We believe in freedom- Islam does not. Wilders, you, and I have every right to criticize a religion, and we should not be sued, called names, or apologize. We don't OWE them anything. If they don't like our standards of civilized behavior TELL THEM TO GET OUT ! Mr. Wilders has done NO wrong. What is sick is caving in to Musim barbaric culture and apologizing for your own people etc. What are you- a bunch of spineless wimps ? Hurray for Geert ! He's a hero--you dumb ignoramuses.

The Birdman 18 November 2011 - 11:29pm / Canada

The western world is waking up to the truth. Geert only speaks the truth and the very liberal dutch court has cleared him of inciting hatred. Geert Wilders is my hero who will win this war with FACTS. He need not lie about islam, islam has proven to be deadly for the West, they will not integrate so throw them out. Stop Immigration.

ProWilders 25 November 2011 - 4:48pm / Poland

More and more European countries are supporting the parties and movements that are critical of islam and immigration from outside Europe. Wilders' PVV in the Netherlands, True Finns in Finland, Swedish Democrats in Sweden, Progress Party in Norway, Swiss People's Party in Switzerland, People's Party in Denmark, and other parties of this kind (moderate nationalist, right-wing conservative) are gaining more and more support. They usually have so much seats in parliamentary assembiles that they are able to influence the law on immigration, as in the case of Netherlands or Denmark. I would welcome such a party in Poland, too, but sadly we have none.

Anonymous 18 November 2011 - 9:34pm

The best place to carry this hater and all his followers.The Netherlands has been taken over by the zionist. There's no more fair pratices in the Netherlands anymore. Just like the U.S. So, sorry to be a Dutch today.

ProWilders 25 November 2011 - 4:49pm / Poland

Israeli Jews are our biggest ally against islamist forces of terror and religious compulsion. I wholeheartedly support the Israeli Defense Forces and I consider them heroes of their own homeland.

Sylvie7 19 November 2011 - 5:43am / USA

Why haven't you filtered out this anti Semitic comment.

David Berridge 18 November 2011 - 5:59pm / Canada

So Geert has reached the big time at the UN! This will not solve anything but someone sooner or later will have to bring the issue to the international forum. Geert as always will benefit from the publicity, even more so that he will become more of global cause celebre. His following should solidify substantially.

David Berridge 18 November 2011 - 5:59pm / Canada

So Geert has reached the big time at the UN! This will not solve anything but someone sooner or later will have to bring the issue to the international forum. Geert as always will benefit from the publicity, even more so that he will become more of global cause celebre. His following should solidify substantially.

Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) 18 November 2011 - 5:45pm / Germany

Now there is RAPE epidemic in Islam-loving Norway and the UK, including of children, by savage Muslim men - which regard women/girls only good enough as sexual slaves and property! The Arabic Pedophile rapist, robber, slave-owner and mass murderer of the Jews, Mohammed, created the Devil's cult, Islam, to defy civilized laws in Christianity and Judaism, especialy the Ten Commandments, with one of the main reason, to continue being sex-maniacs with no limit in everything and no-God (the Devil is Islam's god!)!

Anonymous 18 November 2011 - 5:34pm

Wilders wants the guilder back, the Muslims out and the return of Europe to its tribal configuration with tribal wars and hatred all over the place. He should be condemned internationally.

Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) 18 November 2011 - 5:39pm / What lying hypocrisy!

The Muslim TRIBAL savages try to forced down our throats with their hateful savage Jew/Christian/Women-hating TRIBAL laws and you blamed Mr. Gilders! Islam really do create brainless followers!

Osita 18 November 2011 - 10:18pm

This item has attracted a higher class of crazy than the blonde bumshell usually brings. And one of these has even surpassed the others to claim her jester's crown uncontested while failing to even know her hero's name! (Mr Gilders?) I think Islam doesn't have the monopoly on 'brainless followers', does it Ms Sri?

Katharian Sri (ex Noor Aza) 19 November 2011 - 1:23pm / Germany

Hate the real truths about your beloved savage Islam hem Osita - suspected Muslim fanatics like you only know how to be abusive personally instead of debating intelliegntly like us civilized poeple in civilized Western civilization! If you start accepting the truths, you might finally grow up - I do pity you though!

Katharina Sri (ex Noor Aza) 18 November 2011 - 4:30pm / Muslim terrorists now using the UN to stop freedom of speech!

This is so sick! Now these Muslim terrorists are claiming to speak on behalf of all immigrants including non-Muslim ones. If the UN support such Islamic terrorism that is trying to stop freedom of speech, it shows how evil and primitive the UN has become! Mr. Wilders should counter this by also complaining to this same UN body about these Muslim terrorists for CRIMINALLY trying to stop freedom of speech and for fraud by claiming to speak on behalf of all immigrants especially non-Muslim ones!

The Birdman 20 November 2011 - 10:50pm / Canada

We are talking about the largest "Cult, Crime Organisation" on this planet.
I lived in Holland in the 40's and 50's, emmigrated and returned for visits in the 60's, 70's and 80's. I think that gives a person a pretty good picture of the decline into Islamic Hell.Geert Wilders should challenge these stoneage morons as suggested.

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