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The O'Reilly Factor has no place in Dutch culture
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The O'Reilly Factor has no place in Dutch culture

Published on : 31 August 2009 - 10:01am | By Expatica.com NL
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Fox News' recent portrayals of the city of Amsterdam has stirred up outrage as only The O'Reilly Factor can; however, the programme's underlying message is worth a second look.

By Jennifer Evans / Expatica

It is seductively easy to bash Fox News and its representative TV personalities. Bill O'Reilly, with his arrogant body language and absolutism, practically begs for it.

In December 2008, the “Culture Warriors” segment of O'Reilly's talk show suggested the Dutch's liberal attitude and social tolerance were to blame for Amsterdam's crime problems.

“The Dutch are getting more conservative because it (their liberal stance towards soft drugs and prostitution) hasn't worked,” said O'Reilly, who described Amsterdam as being overrun by organised crime.

In the United States, Fox News dominates cable news and O'Reilly is king of the hill. The O'Reilly Factor has the largest viewership of any cable news programme, with 3.1 million viewers as of July 2009.

Given his reach, it's no surprise that O'Reilly's comments sparked thousands of YouTube responses and blogs.

As the row over Amsterdam and liberal Dutch culture unfolds, I'm less interested in what he said than why he said it.

So, what's the point?
From what I can tell, O'Reilly's main message in the December segment is two-fold.

First, the United States should not have the same drug policies as the Netherlands. His statements were largely directed at Americans who support legalisation of marijuana.

Second, the problem with the Dutch liberal culture is not the citizens themselves, but people from outside the Netherlands who come in and take advantage of its relaxed policies.

To that extent, I think the Fox anchor shot himself in the foot while trying to make what perhaps is a valid point. The Netherlands is indeed not the United States. It has many cultural and governmental institutions in place to handle legal prostitution and soft drug use that just do not exist... maybe anywhere else.

Unfortunately, O'Reilly wrapped his argument in insults and exaggeration. Such shock-jock journalism appeals to people's worst instincts – whether you love and hate him – and suffocates whatever insights his coverage may have offered.

Conservatism, revisited
Amsterdam, while closing many of its famous prostitution windows and coffee shops in part to combat organised crime and human trafficking, is still far from what most people would consider conservative.

The red-light district still exists, there are hundreds of coffee shops and the city celebrates gay pride like few others can. In fact, the city recently launched a tourism programme to attract more gay tourists from the United States.

And no matter which statistics you use (O'Reilly claimed on 3 August that the Netherlands “does statistics differently” than the United States), the Netherlands has less drug use, drug-related crime and less crime in general among its population than the United States.

The Centre for Drugs Research, a former institute affiliated with the University of Amsterdam, reported that even in Amsterdam only 38.1 percent of the population had tried marijuana in their lifetimes as of 2001.

In 2005, the United States average was 40.3 percent compared to 22.6 percent of the entire Dutch population. Amsterdam is certainly higher than the national average, but hardly a disaster.

What we could learn from the Dutch
In 2008, I moved from the United States to the Netherlands to live with my Dutch partner and attend school. Since that time, I've been steeped in all that is Nederland.

Through countless cultural experiences – house parties, concerts, family dinners, neighbourhood block parties, market days, NS railways, Sinterklaas – I've learned that the famous liberal Dutch attitude is much more subtle than a five-minute TV segment can portray.

Their collective stance towards soft drugs and prostitution comes less from a desire to party, but from their practical, straight-forward approach to life. The Dutch cannot be bothered with upholding 'traditional values' that ultimately have negative effects on society.

Remember, this is the same country that ranked first in a child well-being survey of 21 industrialised countries conducted by Unicef in 2007. The survey scored countries across a number of categories, including relative poverty, educational and health standards, sexual behaviour and the children's relationship with friends and parents.

The United States placed at number 20. Out of 21.

As O'Reilly noted on his show, coffeeshops and brothels in Amsterdam and elsewhere in the Netherlands were closed largely because of foreigners, not native Dutch. Border cities are closing coffeeshops because drug tourists from Belgium and France invade relatively quiet, low-key areas.

This development does not prove that a liberal culture is responsible for all the evils in society. In fact, it does just the opposite. It suggests that conservative cultures cannot control themselves in the face of cheap drugs and sex.

That's right. The problem is not that the Dutch are too liberal, but that everybody else isn't liberal enough.

Curb your enthusiasm
Of course, the Netherlands is not an island of perfection. The country is struggling with its own range of political issues, including immigration. And it's true that the Netherlands, like the United States, is far from homogeneous. Not every citizen agrees with the status quo.

However, while it may seem that the Netherlands is becoming more conservative, keep in mind that “conservative” in Holland is still Super Far Left on the American political spectrum.

In The O'Reilly Factor's latest piece about Amsterdam, which you can watch below, O'Reilly suggested that Dutch-style liberalism could reach across the pond.

“What I'm saying to everybody is, this is coming here to the United States. It's coming,” he warned.

If only.

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Melanie 16 September 2009 - 7:38am
I'm a Dutch woman. I moved to the US in 2008. Great country the US; it has some awsome scenery and people are nice in general. However, I am sometimes shocked by the narrow mindedness of some people I have met here. In the past year I have watched and learned about this brainwashing "news" channel called FoxNews! When I first heard Bill O'reilly interviewing a guest on his own show, my stomach turned. I could not believe how much bull**** this guy talks (and how rude he is to his guests on the show). So when I recently heard about his opinion of Holland, I could only shrug my shoulder, laugh and realize that he's an even bigger idiot than I thought...if that was even possible. I can only hope US viewers will learn over time that all that is said on the FoxNews channel is a bunch of propaganda bogus! Becuse it was also shocking to hear how many millions of Americans watch this idiot, Bill O'Reilly, on tv on a daily base and believe what he says. Unfortunately quite a few people, I got to know since I've been here, think Bill the Clown has great views on politics, religion etc. <>
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Rob Kievit 12 September 2009 - 9:04am
Where the US forces are mentioned as liberators of the Dutch at the end of WWII in 1944-45, may I add that forces from other countries also lent a hand. Such as the Canadians, the Polish and the British. We are grateful to them, too. - Rob Kievit, RNW Web Writer
Martin 6 September 2009 - 4:45pm
I often clash with Americans on the internet for having the slightest criticism. After all, the U.S. is the greatest country, everything is great and we Dutch only survived because of the U.S. Final words in such responses: shut up. Oh, I've really come to like you lot - well, half of you lot. Now here's a bigot who throws more insults and lies at us Dutch than you'd think would be posible. We shrug our shoulders at such demagogy and just prove him wrong without using the same abuse. Wait until you really make us made and we'll reclaim Manhattan.
Hiram 6 September 2009 - 5:22pm
"After all, the U.S. is the greatest country, everything is great and we Dutch only survived because of the U.S.".....Martin, the Dutch only survive because of the British and Amercians. Would you please stop complaining, you are starting to sound like you are French!
Martin 8 September 2009 - 11:04am
It's called irony. It's the sort of "and now shut up" argument often used, to which you now add "stop complaining".
Amelia 2 September 2009 - 9:11am
As an American I can say that O'Reilly, although outspoken, is not part of the majority opinion. Most Americans love the Dutch and the country. He is a prop of the Bible Thumpers who have loads of money to spend on BRAINWASHING the less affluent and uneducated Americans. He spreads FEAR to control this segment of the population. Not knowing any better they believe him. This was a well written article which touched on one of the reasons why Bill is targeting the Dutch....the Drug policy. We must also encourage people to take on this aberration of American culture in whatever legal manner possible. Why not write an article regarding the same approach in attaacking Universal Health Care using words such as "socialized" aahhhhh?
Giordano 1 September 2009 - 7:07pm
While not every bible thumper is a religious psychopath like Bill O’Reilly, many in the U.S. still fear that the cult of unreason, stupidity and ignorance fostered by O’Reilly and his authoritarian ilk represents a Weimer moment in America’s history. The onslaught of misinformation and mis-education channeled by right wing religious extremists is not only an insult to a great city like Amsterdam, it is also a threat to world peace and freedom for all. The video clip makes it clear that O’Reilly and his fear-stricken co-panelists believe that freedom is chaos, and from that a veiled inference is made that only the iron hand of a totalitarian government can save the day. Amsterdam has witnessed too many similar episodes in its history to take an idiot like Bill O’Reilly seriously. Unfortunately, in America, many have yet to learn.
Robert Max 1 September 2009 - 4:49pm
Bill Oreilly: you better stay in that ugly Republican, paranoid and primitive quarter of yours (no offense to the US) and leave the rest of the world alone. We are happy in our criminal and infamous daylife. We dont need you, the free world doesnt need you.
Steve 1 September 2009 - 3:47pm
Many conservative people do not watch Fox News. European news outlets mention Fox news has the most viewers out of any US national news station, which is true. But there are many many news outlets here. 3.1 million people is less than 1% of the population.
John Doe 1 September 2009 - 12:54am
Drugs habit-forming? Of course not. I ought to know.
jasmin 31 August 2009 - 11:45am
I am yet to visit the Netherlands but have learnt a lot about the Dutch from the RNW. It has changed the way I look at the world now. I more open and accept people as they are: individuals with different dreams and desires, which do not have to conform to the norms of the society but are not dangerous to the society, and their will to live the way they want. Not that my way of thinking is appreciated here, by my friends, when I express my views about taboo subjects. They look shocked and ask me." Are you an Indian or Dutch?" "Indian for myself and Dutch for others!,"I reply...They are more shocked...Live and let live!
sandra 31 August 2009 - 11:38am
And who else but Gop liars listen to this Irish American schmuck, Bill O'Reilly? Listen up Nederlanders, This bozo comes from those hypocritical, bible thumping evangelists that are running the United States to the ground as Gop destroyed the American ecconomy and spread recession all over the world. Mr. O´Reilly is just scared out of his wits that True Americans want their country back and want to adopt laws similar to the Netherlands, which Gop does not want, because gop wants control freedom of choice, and gop wants to take away other freedoms as they have always have done because they are corrupt and full of greed and lies!!!!!!! God Bless the Netherlands, the land of the free! Give us New York back America, you made a mess out of it!
Hiram 31 August 2009 - 3:47pm
"Give us New York back America, you made a mess out of it!" New York never belonged to the Dutch. It belonged to the American Indian! The Dutch were the masters of the slave trade. As to "...greed and lies!!!!!!!" The Dutch's greed for land that was not theirs is the "Mother of all Greed and Lies." Come on Sandra, don't be so grumpy with Bill O'Reilly and the "bible thumping evangelists". When was the last time you heard of a bible thumper flying an airplane into a skyscraper or beheading innocent humans. I can see it now "Bible thumpers" on Jihad and their first mission is to save Amsterdam from all those deadly sins. P.S. I have been to Amsterdam on several occasions and Bill O'Reilly is 100% correct. All the bible thumpers in the world couldn't save it. Whatever you do, when G-d destroys it...don't look back or you will turn into a pillar of salt.
rj 2 September 2009 - 11:31am
Nice non-sequitur, Hiram. Why do Bible thumpers and conservatives find it necessary to bring up beheadings and airplanes at such random times? You're right, though, they don't seem to do those things. They do occasionally shoot up Mosques and Synagogues, though, huh? And wear Klan costumes? They've been known to wipe out the occasional tribe of those Native Americans you mentioned, too. You're wrong, Bill O'Reilly's criminally wrong, and the Bible thumpers are all wrong about everything.
Hiram 2 September 2009 - 8:25pm
Hello rj! You ask " Why do Bible thumpers and conservatives find it necessary to bring up beheadings and airplanes at such random times?" Sometimes, we just don't know any better but on this occassion, it was to let Sandra know that there are people in this world who are more extreme than the Bible Thumpers. { You also stated"They do occasionally shoot up Mosques and Synagogues, though, huh? And wear Klan costumes?" You are right but when was the last time you heard of just one Bible Thumper, flying an airplane into a building and beheading just one person? {You also pointed out "They've been known to wipe out the occasional tribe of those Native Americans you mentioned, too." Yes you are right but not all were Bible Thumpers. Some were non-Bible Thumpers. Also, they didn't get all of us, some of them Indians are still around and are also Bible Thumpers. { Your last statement "You're wrong, Bill O'Reilly's criminally wrong, and the Bible thumpers are all wrong about everything." Wow, all Bible Thumpers are wrong about everything! From your statement, I hear you saying that you, rj, just might be a Bible Thumper. Your statement was non sequitur because you failed to construct a chain of causation but then we weren't debating, were we. P.S. Personnaly, I don't like O'Reilly's style of jouranlism. Be nice and have a good day. Regardless of your strong, negative beliefs about Bible Thumpers.

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