Day in and day out, Dutch Muslims are told their religion is "a fascist ideology" and "a threat to Dutch society".
By Sheila Kamerman and Dirk Vlasblom for NRC Handelsblad
They hear their "so-called prophet Muhammad" is "a barbarian, a mass murderer and a paedophile", or words to that effect. The indignities come from a member of parliament: Geert Wilders.
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After leaving the right-wing liberal VVD party in 2006 and setting up his own Party for Freedom (PVV), Wilders has made criticism of Islam his one main issue.
He is being heard by native Dutch people who fear the country of 16 million is suffering under the burden of its estimated one million Muslim citizens. Wilders obtained 5 of the 25 Dutch seats in European parliament last year. His PVV did very well in the two municipalities in which it participated in recent local elections. Some polls have predicted his party could become the biggest in parliament after the upcoming national election.
One wonders why the Muslims he is targeting are not standing up against his attacks and letting themselves be heard.
When asked this question, Islam expert Mohammed Cheppih immediately countered it: "Aren't we all Dutch?," he asked. "Society as a whole should stand up to Wilders. Wilders is destroying the Netherlands. We should all ignore him."
Counterproductive?
Farid Azarkan, the director of an interest group of Moroccan-Dutch people, SMN, agreed. "Where are all the reasonable Dutch people who say: 'This is not how we treat each other here'?" Ideally, non-Muslims would support their Muslim compatriots en masse, Azarkan ventured. "Suppose that all the women in Almere [the one city where Wilders' PVV won the most council seats in the local election] would don a headscarf." Azarkan chuckled at the idea of such a form of protest against the PVV's proposed headscarf ban in municipal buildings there: "But that is not realistic."
Azarkan has thought about instigating large-scale protests, but believes it would ultimately be counterproductive. "Imagine we would organise a mass demonstration, say, on the Malieveld in The Hague," he said, referring to a meadow near buildings housing the national government. "It would suddenly be filled with thousands of headscarves. People who don't fear Islam wouldn't be bothered by it. But those are not the people we need to convince. The people who support Wilders however, will go ’Yuk, there they are'."
The fear of rubbing native Dutch people the wrong way by lashing out at Wilders is one argument why Muslims aren't organising themselves. Another is that a movement would be hard to establish because there is no single Muslim community in the Netherlands. Moroccans, Turks, Somalis, Surinamese, Iranians and Iraqis in the Netherlands all have their own religious lives and communities. They are impossible to mobilise, according to Azarkan.
Faith in democracy
A unifying, Dutch Islam has yet to develop, said Loubna el Morabet, who is a PhD researcher in social science at Leiden University. "This is an ongoing process. Muslims in the Netherlands are already very Dutch," she said. "I have done research in the Netherlands and England and learnt that Muslim students here have adopted the Dutch mentality. This is their country."
Arkazan offered the example of the lack of success of Muslim parties as an argument why any fear of Muslims "taking over" the Netherlands is "a joke". In this month's municipal elections, Islamic parties failed to obtain a single council seat anywhere but in The Hague. "Obviously, Muslims vote for a party that suits them, they don't vote for a religion," said Arkazan. "We call that integration."
Many Muslims and non-Muslims in the Netherlands are uncomfortable with the things the PVV has been saying. The party has suggested Muslims who don't adjust to the dominant Dutch culture should be deported. It has also talked about shooting criminals of Moroccan descent in the knees.
But for most who disagree with him, their faith in democracy is larger than their fear of Wilders.
"Of course I feel threatened when I hear Wilders speaking," said Loubna el Morabet. "But if I take a step back, I realise he will never be able to carry out his ideas. Taxing headscarves is nonsense and halting immigration from Islamic countries is discrimination. The principle of equality is deeply embedded in Dutch law."
Compromises
Even if he wins the upcoming national election, many Muslims don't believe he can change Dutch, let alone European, laws that protect them. "And you can't rule a country ranting and raving," Farid Azarkan said about Wilders' politics.
Several Muslims interviewed said they would welcome a large PVV after the June election. If Wilders were to be forced to take responsibility and make compromises, his rank and file would realise he can't deliver, they said.
The Netherlands is always ruled by coalition governments and if Wilders were to form one "he would need to have clear ideas about other issues than just Muslims," said El Morabet. "What does he really want for our country? The only statements he yells are anti-Islam, everything else is hazy."
Cheppih, however, disagreed. "It is extremely frustrating that other parties don't preclude governing with Wilders. It would be a clear sign if other parties would say: 'We don't want to cooperate with the PVV'. The party is empty and has hardly taken positions on anything." Cheppih encouraged other political parties to rule out any coalition with the PVV after the election. "Society as a whole should hit back hard: we do not accept this! Make that clear. Otherwise, things could escalate. The fear he sows is imaginary, but he is being heard. The higher the minarets, the more frightened the people."
Personal encounters
This fear of Islam is fuelled by the media hype surrounding Wilders, said El Morabet. "I think it is ridiculous that media pay so much attention to a party that has garnered a handful of seats in the municipal elections. [Left-wing liberal party] D66 was the real winner of the local elections and that happens to be the one party that tells Wilders: 'You are shutting people out, you discriminate'. That gets relatively little attention."
To counter the anxiety some native Dutch feel for Islam, Farid Azarkan thinks, Muslims need to try to remove this through personal encounters. "You have to reach out to people. A minority happens to be xenophobe. I don't believe you can sway all of them. They have to notice out on the streets that you may be Muslim, but apart from that, you are all right.”
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“their "so-called prophet Muhammad" is "a barbarian, a mass murderer and a paedophile"”. That Muhammed was a mass murderer and a paedophile are undisputed fact. That he was a barbarian (a fierce, brutal, or cruel person) is an opinion based on many historical facts.
Pointing this out, warning and challenging others as Geert Wilders hurts the feelings of many Muslim believers. These statements are considered “unreasonable” because Islam has never had to tolerate or deal with criticism maturely.
Good thing you weren’t calling the shots when Galileo, Martin Luther and many others spoke out and stirred things up. Maybe we also should stop laughing when someone says the pope is infallible. It might hurt his feelings and maybe there are still a few Catholics who believe in that.
Islam needs to grow up. Saying this is not xenophobic or racist.
Wow, I can't believe the completely ignorant comments on this article. Geert Wilders is a racist and to those who support him.. do you know what else he stands for besides being anti-Islamic-immigration and anti-headscarves? Those seem to be his only 'talking points'. I live here, in NL, and have not been threatened by any Islamic youth or feel threatened by Islamists taking over the country. Please, Dutch people, get over yourselves and learn to live with people from different backgrounds. I think all 'native Dutch' people should have to be "integrated" into living in a country that now doesn't contain only blond haired/blue eyed people.
The prove that you want to develop a ´dutch ISLAM´ is citated in this next sentence:
"""A unifying, Dutch Islam has yet to develop, said Loubna el Morabet, who is a PhD researcher in social science at Leiden University. "This is an ongoing process."""
What you mean with "Dutch Islam" .... "yet to develop" .... "ongoing process"
There will NOT be ANY DUTCH ISLAM. This is the reason that Wilders will be our new prime minister after 9th June. He has woken up already so many people in the Netherlands but also in the rest of Europe and the US. There will nothing to developed in the Netherlands. Go back to ISLAMistan, leave your women with us, develop yourself and you will be welcome in our democracy that is based on Jewish/christian culture and not on the KORAN that tells you to dominate the world. Sorry mate, ... no place for Dutch ISLAM. Don´t worry about your women, they will be treated kind; we Dutch know how to treat women.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9xwusweVQ
This seems a reasonable story but it is not.
First of all, we live in the Netherlands that is a democracy, this democracy is also used by ISLAM in order to shut up people who say something negatif about the ideologie called ´ISLAM. The fact that """Cheppih encouraged other political parties to rule out any coalition with the PVV after the election""" is revolution in a democracy. The PVV is not a political party only; it represents the voices of 1.000.000 or more people in the Netherlands.
We, dutch people, are not discriminating any people, that is not our character. We are friendly for everyone who accepts and adapts our culture, while they integrate. But what we will never ever accept is to adapt this undemocratic ideologie of ISLAM. Since many decades women and men are equal after a process of many many year. We will never accept that in the Netherlands women have to obey their husband, brothers etc. As long the ISLAM dominates women and tell them to submit, you are NOT WELCOME. Take that evil book called KORAN back to where it comes from, take your ISLAM laws called Shariah back to the Middle East and come back when you accept our culture, laws and customs.
Everywhere in the world where women are dominated by men there is war. We want to live in peace, so leave your women here, so they will be treated nice and kind by Dutch men. When you come back they will tell you to leave them alone as long as you do not respect them.
You want to know about my ideas and motivation, listen to my video on youtube. Dutch with English subtitles 9:20 min. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9xwusweVQ
A simple way to demonstrate peacefully against veils and burqas in a supermarket: Leave your packed trolley behind when you spot a masquerade a and shop somewhere else. If enough people join the dress-code will change and halal products will vanish.
@ free thinker - Great idea.....that could be used for other issues, as well.
It could become expensive for the supermarkets, considering the time it would take to put the products back on the shelves; plus the possible spoilage of refridgerated items.
If it became a widespread occurence, maybe the companies would pressure the politicians, since the only time they usually listen is when money's in the mix.
About 25 years ago I was deeply moved by a brilliant Dutch movie about the Nazi occupation in Holland and the resistance movement. History seems to repeat itself. The Aryan Supremacy is dead and now replaced by a different brand of brain-f**k imported from the middle East. At least he Dutch have Geert Wilders to turn to. In other parts of Europe people have to dig out the rotten corpse of Nazism in protest to sound the alarm.
I love the title of this piece, "Muslims quietly take Wilders' abuse", ......"One wonders why the Muslims he is targeting are not standing up against his attacks and letting themselves be heard." What??? Wilders' is under 24hrx7day police protection because the muslims want to kill him. muslims slaughtered Van Gogh in broad daylight leaving a warning to all non-muslims pinned to his chest with a knife. Ayn Hirsi Ali had to leave the Netherlands or be slaughtered by muslims. Draw an offensive cartoon and the muslims will make it there life's work to slaughter you ....... but the poor little defenseless muslims are taking all this abuse from Wilders...... LOL ...... Sheila Kamerman and Dirk Vlasblom you are insane.
www.patcondell.net said it all. There is no much I could ad.
Good luck Geert, not only the Netherlands but Europe needs you.
Nonsense, Geert Wilders is not an ultra-right-winger at all but rather a realist with his eyes wide open and a fairly liberal attitude who only offends religion motivated offenders and their uninformed (trendy-liberal) supporters in a secular country. Religion is still a tool of manipulation. Most wars, Hitler and Apartheid were inspired by faith.
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Wilders is on trial for simply telling the truth about Islam.
It's also outrageous that this member of Dutch parliament is forced to live like a fugitive, under 24-hours-a-day police protection and must move from place to place every day.
Living under constant death threats is proof that radical Islam is incompatible with Western democracy.
Why aren't the Muslims 'demonstrators' on trial who scream "Alla-hu akbar" while giving the Heil Hitler salute call for the death of Jews?
I am very happy to hear that there seems to be a lot of support for him in other countries because it is true, this guy is just telling the truth, but he will succeed to stop the islamisation in Europe, I am convinced. I send you the link of my videomessage with english subtitles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9xwusweVQ
Thanks for the video.....it's a good one.
Too bad that there aren't more clear thinkers like you in the world.
I meant:
First give your women the freedom to act as a woman and NOT only as a person to raise children.
I would advise you to hear a Dutch guy talking about this situation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9xwusweVQ
May I say something?! This is a lie, the muslims dont feel like the Netherland is their home. They act as if we are a satelite state of their home country. We would like to see the muslims integrate in our society but not the Islamic Ideology. First give your women the freedom to act as a woman and only as a person to raise children. Don´t stop them in the emancipation process. You want to know about the general dutch vison, watch my movie with english subtitles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9xwusweVQ
Just like Sarah Palin, Wilders is getting rich by saying ridiculous things.
I'm an atheist like him, but cannot understand imagine how it's possible to view one religion as despicable, but but another as acceptable.
I've been an expat here for over two years, and from what I've seen and read, the 'Muslim problem' appears to be a complete fabrication. PVV policy is blatant racism. I'm amazed that so many Dutch people identify with this mouthpiece.
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Religion is an illusion, and it derives its strength from the fact that it falls in with our instinctual desires.(See Sigmund Freud, A Philosophy of Life in Lectures in Psychoanalysis). Modern religions are only ancient follies
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The Muslims are silent because they know Wilders speaks the truth -- Mohammad WAS a barbarian who married a little girl when he was 54, slaughtered whole tribes of Jews and ordered the murders of anyone who criticised or satirised him. Islam still orders the same threats. Muslims know this. So what can they say?
you are right, see my video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N9xwusweVQ
Day in day out Wilders receives death threats. Call that quietly? 24 hours a day protection from bodyguards for already 6 years. No word about the Van Gogh killing. That was quitely!
It is not only Islam that has people saying negative and challenging remarks said about it. In London muslims were holding up posters saying "Jesus was a muslim (although he was +/- 750 years before The Prophet Muhamed) There are many examples in all religions. In my opinion muslims just make a bigger fuss and go crazy about anything negative said about Islam, the prophet and the Koran. The coments said by mr Wilders are actually true but could have been said differently. The Prophet Muhamed did kill many people, had many humans killed (Just because they were "Infidels") and got married to a children. Fact!
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