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Lieberman goes Dutch

Published on : 11 November 2009 - 10:25am | By John Tyler
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Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman’s quick visit to the Netherlands this week is generating quite a stir. While he may be Foreign Minster, and Deputy Prime Minister as well, Mr Lieberman is also the leader of a far-right political party with some radical viewpoints.
 
US President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minster Benjamin Netanyahu met behind closed doors on Monday evening, as America struggles to revive the Middle East peace process. The talks in Washington came amid heightened tension over Israel's refusal to freeze settlement building in the West Bank and Jerusalem.

One of the strongest advocates of that settlement policy is Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman who will be visiting the Netherlands today. Various Dutch organisations oppose his visit.

Extremists
Some groups are using the trip to call on the Dutch government to reverse its policy, and talk to the radical Palestinian movement, Hamas. In their view, if one talks to extremists on one side, one should talk to extremists on the other side, as well. Equal opportunity to all extremists.

MP Martijn van Dam’s Labour Party is in the Dutch coalition government, but sides with the opposition when it comes to policies regarding Israel and Palestine.

“I think it’s always good to talk with all the parties that are involved in the conflict in the Middle East. Even the most extreme parties like Hamas and Avigdor Lieberman. So it’s ok to talk with them. I hope the talks can help to bring a solution closer", he said.

Friendly treatment
Van Dam agrees that the Dutch parliament is receiving Mr Lieberman, and listening to him. But, he continues, they do not have to treat him as a friend.

Nevertheless, there is quite a difference between friendly treatment, and comparisons with Hamas. Is talking to Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman the same as talking to the radical Palestinian group?

Dutch Jewish protest
Van Dam is not the only one to make the comparison. Harry de Winter is a film and television producer, and co-founder of the group A Different Jewish Voice.  He is also one of 500 prominent Dutch people to sign a petition calling for the Dutch government to open talks with Hamas.

He says Lieberman deserves the comparison.

“He is democratically elected in Israel, but he is a pure racist who wants to get rid of even the Arab population living inside Israel. He says if they want a Palestinian state let them go to Jordan or Lebanon. This guy is an ultra right-wing racist, so, if anybody really thinks about it they would not have him officially received by our government.”

Insane comparison
Others, however, do not see the parallels between Lieberman and Hamas. Christian Union MP Joël Voordewind says the Netherlands should continue boycotting Hamas:

“I think the comparison between Lieberman and talking to Hamas is completely insane because we’re speaking about a democratically elected party leader in comparison with a terrorist organisation which came to power by violence and killing. So I think that’s a completely insane comparison.”
 
Mr Lieberman’s visit is confirming Mr Voordewind’s viewpoint.

And it is confirming the long-standing friendship between the Netherlands and Israel. The Foreign Minister is visiting the Netherlands in part to thank it for voting against sending the Goldstone report to the United Nations Security Council.

Bias
South African Justice Richard Goldstone, working under a UN mandate, conducted an investigation into last year’s conflict in the Gaza Strip. In the report’s conclusions, Justice Goldstone accuses both the Palestinians in Gaza and the Israeli army of having committed war crimes. Israel claims the report has an anti-Israeli bias.

The Dutch government agreed, and voted to block the report in the Human Rights Council. In the meantime, the report looks set to reach the Security Council by another route.

But Israel is grateful for the no vote, and has sent the Foreign Minister to The Hague to relay the message in person. A message not everyone in The Hague wants to hear.

Photo: U.S. Department of State at Flickr
 

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Anonymous 17 January 2012 - 7:01pm / the netherlands

United Nations Commission on Human Rights

Definition of genocide

Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as
...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2

Article 3 defines the crimes that can be punished under the convention:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.
— Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 3

The convention was passed to outlaw actions similar to the Holocaust by Nazi Germany during World War II. The first draft of the Convention included political killings, but the USSR along with some other nations would not accept that actions against groups identified as holding similar political opinions or social status would constitute genocide, so these stipulations were subsequently removed in a political and diplomatic compromise.

Legal Eagle 15 November 2009 - 6:50pm
Hamas was democratically elected too. When Lieberman was Interior Minister he sprayed herbicides on the crops of Israeli Bedouin voters and sent Green Patrols to destroy both crops and homes. He is a racist and uses terror tactics against civilian populations. Elections don't change that fact in his case or in the case of Hamas.
Anonymous 15 November 2009 - 1:45am
If your neighbor attacks you with bombs and rockets, and tries to kill you, do you still waive kindly and friendly to him and wish him a good day? To Hell with the extreme Islamists!
johnny 12 November 2009 - 7:50pm
While Hamas and other palestinian organisations are considered as a terrorist groups in the west, they are considered as a resistnce groups in the east especially that these organisations were evloved as a normal respnse to the Isreali oocupation and they have every right to resist that occupation . This right of resistence is guarnteed under international law, However , the negatory position of Dutch government concerning Goldstone report is clear sighn for the bias of this government to Israel. It is a shame how a country like Netherland who have alwys been a lead country in Human rights, doesn't uphold a report issued by UN human rights council just for stubid political reasons.
Hiram 12 November 2009 - 8:07pm
"While Hamas and other palestinian organisations are considered as a terrorist groups in the west, they are considered as a resistnce groups in the east especially that these organisations were evloved as a normal respnse to the Isreali oocupation and they have every right to resist that occupation ."......Therefore, the West and more especially Israel has a right to treat them as terrorists.
Isaac Haskiya - Denmark/Israel 11 November 2009 - 8:49pm
Among all the orgiastic name calling like racist, nationalist, Khazar (???) I find that you do not have a single factual argument against Mr. Liberman. He is the Israeli FM, elected by his people, working for his people, offering the Arabs a good alternative to live in their own territory by exchanging certain lands, to live in peace as neighbours, asking for the loyalty of all Israeli citizens by doing one´s military service, telling the PA to come to negotiations instead of crying on the lap of UN and so on. The European Left in general and the Dutch Left in particular in this case have grown blind towards the historical realities that have dominated the world. Territories are confirmed by force of arms, not by singing "All you need is Love, Ha-ha-ha-ha-haaa!" This is the reality in the Middle East and some Dutch people reason like small children. Hamas is officially declared as a terrorist organization by the EU and no utopistic palavering will change that. Talk is cheap and a Merkava still weighs 60 tons!
Arev Beilttog 11 November 2009 - 6:23pm
Is he a "semite"? The ancient kingdom of the Khazars had as official religion Judaism, but this did not make them "Semites". Seems to me that Mr. Lieberman has the same sanguine disposition that the Khazars had, which would explain a lot.
Naomi 11 November 2009 - 3:26pm
Mister Voordewind, who sleeps in the Ariel settlement when visiting in Israel, is either ignorant or plain stupid, since 1. Hamas was the the democratic winner of democratic elections, and 2. like Lieberman Adolf Hitler was also democratically elected.
Steve 11 November 2009 - 4:12pm
Well I guess that is what happens when a "party" is elected that condones shooting rockets at schools. If people really want peace BOTH parties need to make concessions. The previously tried solution of driving all the Jews into the Mediterranean is not gonna cut it.
Hiram 12 November 2009 - 12:37am
Steve both Both parties don't to make concessions. When Israel was attacked thousands of times and failed to attack Hamas and punish them, Israel was making concessions to the U.N. and the U.S. After thousands of attacks and no response by Hamas for peace, then Israel had a right to attack Hamas and it's government and it's people who supported and demanded the attacks. { When the British citizens in London, during WWII, were being terrorized by the Germans, the British and Americans didn't make concessions, they attacked Germany with all the military might they had; therefore, Israel like the British have a right to defend "their" homeland with all the force needed to stop Hamas' attacks against Israel. { There aren't any concessions with Hamas or Islam because there are not any with them. They don't concede and Israel would be unwise to concede to them.
Steve 12 November 2009 - 6:06pm
I agree they were completely justified. Good post.
Awamori 11 November 2009 - 1:09pm
Go ahead, talk to Hamas, talk to Hezbolah, talk to Iran... But don't be surprised, after one day you'll come to your church and find a minaret attached to it.
Anonymous 11 November 2009 - 11:34pm
I don't see how opening dialogue with people suddenly makes a country entirely Islamic. When is this step taken?

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