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Dutch Sunni Muslim groups recognise Ahmadiyya sect

Published on : 24 December 2009 - 5:00pm | By RNW English section
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A Dutch Muslim broadcasting company competing for airtime has recognised the controversial Ahmadiyya sect as one of the main currents in Islam. Such recognition is unique in the world.

By Mohamed Amezian and Michel Hoebink

"In the whole of Europe you won't find a single Muslim organisation which includes Sunnis and Shiites, Alevites and Ahmadiyya," says Fethi Killi of the Muslim Broadcasting Foundation (SMO) proudly. "We have achieved that for the very first time."

The Ahmadiyya is an Islamic sect that is considered heretic by the main institutions of orthodox Sunni Islam. As many members of the large Dutch Surinamese community belong to the Ahmadiyya, the recognition of the sect, which originated in Pakistan, has always been a sensitive topic. The Dutch authorities recognise the Ahmadiyya as one of the main movements in Islam. But orthodox Muslim organisations refuse to recognise them as Muslims.

Competition
The issue surfaced again recently in the process of establishing a new Muslim Broadcasting Company. The former Dutch Muslim Broadcaster (NMO) had failed because of internal divisions. Five new organisations are now competing for the available airtime, of which the SMO is the largest and most favoured candidate.

An important measure used by the Dutch authorities in selecting the new Broadcasting Company is that they should represent as many of the Dutch Islamic groups and movements as possible. The SMO complies with this demand by including in its organisation all the groups that are recognised by the Dutch authorities as the 'main movements of Islam': Sunnis, Shiites, Alevites and Ahmadiyya.

"It's important to do justice to the diversity of the Muslim community in the Netherlands," says Yasin Furqani of the Council of Moroccan Mosques in the Netherlands (RMMN), one of SMO's members. "The Ahmadiyya are an important section of that community and therefore belong to our organisation."

Mature
The Ahmadiyya are highly controversial in the Muslim world, explains Fathi Killi of the SMO. He thinks that in particular the Sunni groups in his organisation have shown themselves to be very mature in their decision to co-operate. "For the first time in Europe, these groups have decided not to exclude others on theological grounds. We emphasise that we all worship the same God and believe in the same prophets and the same Holy Books."

Not all Dutch Muslim organisations are content with this ecumenical approach, says Killi. "Some refuse to cooperate and emphasise that there is only one correct Islam, namely theirs." Negotiations to merge or co-operate with another candidate, the Muslim Dutch Service (MON), failed for this reason. The SMO allegedly refused to recognise the Ahmadiyya as an equal partner.

Exclude
Radi Suudi, spokesman of MON, denies that his organisation wants to exclude the Ahmadiyya. "We are most willing to co-operate with them. But the SMO demanded from us a written declaration that we recognise the Ahmadiyya as a major Islamic current. We are a journalistic organisation and as such we do not want to occupy ourselves with such theological issues."

The Dutch authorities are expected to decide in January which of the candidates will get the airtime and which will be the new Muslim broadcasting company.
 

Discussion

rahil_sheikh 26 August 2010 - 10:49am / india

The Islamic knowledge is very must for every muslim religion people

Anonymous 2 July 2010 - 10:19am / Canada

"Providing justice" or "being Just" is a FALSE PRETEXT - and has nothing to do with the facts - that ahmadiyya/mirzai (referred in pakistan)/QADIANIs (mainly called - due to the place where this groups leader originated) ARE PURELY UNISLAMIC ideals! I'd say to the people incharge of this organization, that they are BECOMING VICTIMS of the SAME IDEA which succeeded in dividing muslims who were fighting british in india (subcontinent - that now is pakistan, india, and bangladesh). Muslims were THE only "people of the land - willing - to fight the occupiers" - these occupiers - who were called a company - "east india company" - which on FALSE pretexts of TRADE - started annexing vast subcontinent (already divided on castes/religious basis). British needed A WAY TO DIVIDE the force that was fighting them, and this person OF QADIAN (who was so sick of micturition - used to abnormally visit toilet SEVERAL times to urinate and finally died in a toilet) from QADIAN village in punjab province, was pumped by british with RESOURCES/MONEY/MEDIA who started a SELF-CLAIM - as the one who got revelations (as a prophet). The BOOK - "Qadianism - a critical study" - by Abul Hasan Ali Nadvi" - IS THE BEST/MUST READ to know THE REAL REASONS - HOW/why this group cropped/gained ground! Dutch proved to the world their position towards islam/world muslims. And it is not a ROCKET SCIENCE for ANY MUSLIM to see where they stand! There were many FALSE PROPHETS who made such FAKE claims even during the time of the FINAL PROPHET (pbuh) who brought the FINAL TESTAMENT - THE HOLY QURAN. Anyone who does not believe in the finality of the prophet of islam - is NOT A MUSLIM and so are these QADIANIS whose believes are heretic and PURELY BLASPHEMOUS TO the FINAL MESSAGE OF ISLAM! Qadianis are even misleading - few christians who are searching for the grave of Jesus(pbuh) in north india/kashmir - where these heretics claim jesus is buried! Could this be sufficient to realize their extent of deviation?

umer 8 June 2010 - 12:47am / india

please send me islamic mail please

Anonymous 25 April 2010 - 5:16pm

Mirza called himself prophet first and then on later dates he start calling himself god. That alone should be good enough for ahmadee people to know that he was a nothing more then a clown, british puppet who was trying muslims at that time to give up the sord and accept british as their masters.
All you have to do is take a look who is supporting your cause and you will know that you are on the wrong path. Every time there was a voice cames in your support the person is a JEW. Isn't this good enough for you to know that they are incuraging you to be idiot as you are?????
Come back to islam of Mohammad, before your end of time.
According to propecies of Mohammad pbuh, Jesus was suppose to come after 45 years of Mahdi. All jews will get exterminated from earth. That never happened. All christans will become muslims, that never happened. Wake up guys, stop jews and christans to devide us. Become muslim, come back to path of Mohammad pbuh.

Sadaqt Mahmood 10 December 2010 - 6:47pm / USA

Can you give me reference that Jesus AS was suppose to come after 45 years of Mahdi. Please refer the Hadith or Holy Quran.

Also that all Jews will get exterminated from earth. If Jesus AS could not exterminate them, Rasoolullah saw Chief of Prophets could not exterminate them then why Mahdi or Jesus AS will exterminate them now. They are more powerful than before. Rasoolullah has given them protection during his time to practice their religion as they like because there is no compulsion in Islam as mentioned in the Holy Quran.

Jews still do not believe in Jesus AS though he showed them many miracles. it is quite clear from the success of Christianity that he was a king of Jews. Prophet Muhammad saw showed them hundreds and hundred of miracles but of no use. Now what kind of magic Jesus AS will use to convert them or exterminate them. Jesus AS is now 2000 years old man, do you think he will be able to kill a single Jew as you think. I think he needs your help to walk or....

Prophecies are most of the time metaphoric like Prophet Zakria was told to have son but he had daughter. So the prophecies of Jesus AS are Mahdi are also metaphoric. There will be no bloody Mahdi or Jesus AS whom Allah will send. Allah send down prophets to save mankind but you are saying Mahdi or Jesus will start mass killing including innocent women and children. You should remember the teaching of Jesus (AS) if some slap you on the right cheek, turn the left. Now the same kind Jesus Nabi Allah will be like Hitler (naoozbillah). If Allah is so cruel then why He is not killing Jews and Christian Himself. You know he has all the powers to do it, then why he need help of Mahdi or Jesus AS for such a horrendous killing. What are the meanings of Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullah, Muslims are saying in every prayer. It make no sense that Jesus and Mahdi AS will send peace and blessings of Allah to all human including Jews and Christians in his prayer then after prayer he will go out and start killing Jews and Christian. I think for same reason, Jews are still looking for bloody Messiah to kill all Christian, Muslim, Hindu and Sikhs. So Muslim and Jews are thinking same thing; how to kill others.

As they could not find the bloody Messiah, you will not be able to see such Mahdi or Messiah till the day of judgment. Please try to think about your theory of Islam and world peace. Islam teach us "Love For All, Hatred for None". May Allah guide you all those thinking like you on the right path.

mullah man 1 September 2010 - 3:18pm

MULLAHS now holds Pakistani society AND thinking by the throat. His version of Islam has plunged Pakistan into an epidemic of honor killings, hate murders and mob executions of fellow Muslims and minorities alike. Society is paying the price for allowing the Mullah to propagate extremism and intolerance from the pulpit. People like you should create your own country called mullahstan where you can preach your hate mongering. Please check your facts almost everything you have written is wrong and without any basis. You need to provide something we call EVIDENCE to back your claims. We are not Paki politicians with fake degrees that we wil listen too you :-)

Nasir Jan 1 September 2010 - 3:12pm / UK

you are one sick individual - please try practicing the religion of our beloved prophet Muhammad saw - have you cut open the heart of a ahmadi / qadiani to see if he is a muslim? - leave the judging to Allah who is the best of judges

anwer khan 11 March 2010 - 4:56pm / USA

I am so pleased to hear this that finally for the first time Love for all, hatred for none has piered the boundaries of indifference, ignorance and prejudice and succeeded in her mission. This is Ahmadiyya Muslim community's very objective to spread peace. Finally this organization has taken a lead of recognizing the Ahmadiyya group. To me this is the beginning of the disappearnce of prejudice and hate mongering in Europe and be enlightened by the true face of humanity. I applaud, cherish and wish the best for this Radio broadcasting organization. May God be with you and enable the entire European continent to shape their views like you have boldly done. Bravo.

Anwer Khan, Los Angeles, CA

John Snider 10 January 2010 - 6:31am / USA

Every religion of the world might make Ahmadiyya sect illegal because they are telling the Messianic sect after Second coming of Messsiah and telling the truth without any fear. The other unique thing about them thay are the only one religion teaching LOVE and unique by proclaimin God of all religion is same kind loving and merciful God Of All Religions isame ONE GOD and that God Is alive and Talks his servents whenever he wants, God send prophets and prophethood like a degree of spirituality would never cease until dooms day. The prophets will be sent to mankind whenever guidance is needed thus prophets will not bring new New Sharia or New law, mankind was given enough rule and laws through all the prophets like Adam, Noah, Krishnah, Moses, Buddah, Jesus, Mohamad, And Ahmad would always be coming for guidance of mankind. No one has belief of living and talking God on this planet.

However, this believe is not only logical but also perfectly truly distinguished Ahmadiyya from rest of the religions of the world. But Ahmadiyya are not to blame for this belief , if you have blame any one for such a dangerous believe is God Allah Himself for sending a prophet Ahmad in India.. All religions are still trying to wipe out the teachings of this Messiah but it is getting stronger and stronger and all the good souls are entering Ahmadiiyya. Ahmadiyya says they have no choice but to accept him as messiah as there were hadith about day and time and all the sighns about Messiah and he did appear with all those proofs and with the glorious power of God over all his opponents and they were all defeated. A Messiah is like a doctor as doctors will be always needed for physical and mental cure but for spiritual cure a spiritual guide is needed and we have no power to elect one but God has to establish that person upon us and we have no way out of it.t. The guide must prove with all the power he has was bestowed by God upon him. If he cant do it not a single person would follow him. No doubt God gave all the powers to . Mirza Ahmad also mentioned clearly in Holy Quran Sura Alsaff that this Prophet Ahmad would be invited towards Islam as people will think he is actually a Kaffir and non Muslim. Today whole world recognize power of Ahmadiyya sect and begging them to become Muslim like them and start Jihad the way they understand. They also want Ahmadiyya people to believe that Jesus an Israeli prophet is still alive and sitting in heaven with somewhere with Allah and clearly say Prophet Mohammad Has died and buried and will never come back. Moreover Sunni and all other Muslim forcing an idea on Ahmadiyya that Jesus will come back flying down from sky like bird as he flew up like a bird and lead Muslims against Christians a bloody war combining forces with Mahdi. Ahmadiyya does not accept all this as Allah is merciful and kind. Moreover, every word in Hadith is metaphorical not real as Muslim take it as literal. By making this mistake they say Jesus used to make birds with his own hands. Now tell us how Jesus could make bird organs and put arteries and veins etc and please explain step by step. Ahmadiyya says birds is metaphorical, Jesus put life in spiritually dead people and as soon they found God then walke, run and flew towards him metaphorically through their love and faith and became so close to God as close Ahmadiyya people are to Allah after they were given life by Mirza Ghulam "Ahmad". Who came as 2nd coming of Messiah for Jews, Christians and Muslims. The main teachings of Ahmadiis not to invite people towards him but only guide the people to recognise one true God Allah and ask for forgiveness of sins and worship him. He is the same God for Moses, Jesus, Mohammad, Buddah, Kirishna and for all religion. The Ahmadiyya teachings also very clear that The purpose of man is to love the mankind and go extra mile to help every human regardless of their race religion or national origin. The second most important thing of Ahmadiyya teachings is to love and worship God all the time everywhere and seek help from Allah all the time and just do Good deeds.. I accepted Ahmadiyyat after reading "Philosophy of Teaching In Islam"., written by 2nd Messiah who undoubtedly brought exactly same teachings to 72 blood hungry sect of Islam as Jesus has brought teachings to 71 sects of blood hungry warring Jews 2000 years ago. I am smart I don’t want to be part of 72 Hell bound 72 sects of Muslims who clearly declared Ahmadiyya Muslim illegal as jews did to Jesus followers 2000 years ago. There is profound clear Hadith of prophet Mohammad Sas . My Ummah will divide into 73 sects and 72 sects will be hell bound. One sect will be group a Jamaat who would be preaching Islam. They will face same hardship as my followers are facing now. Today Ahmadiyya Muslims are killed for reciting Kalima. It is illegal to say Azan for Ahmadiyya or any do or say Islamic. They are put in jails or murdered just like early Muslims..Living God just can’t tolerate this anymore. Muslim will never understand this kind of loving Islam they are thinking only blood now like all other religions too. That's why Messiah was needed. Ahmadiyya are most people in the entire world and happiest and closest to God. There motto Love for all hatred for none is working to make this world so beautiful place to live. However, such peaceful teachings can destroys al fraudulent money making business including all the clergy and religious business are loosing money because the teachings of Messiah. Money is the root of all evil so the whole world is against Ahmadiyya, 2nd coming of Messsiah and peaceful teachings. Result is all religions are teaching to stay away from Ahmadiyyat. But no one can win it is the war of God against Satan, who do you thoink will prevail

Sadaqt Mahmood 10 December 2010 - 8:46pm / USA

Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuhu

May Allah bless you and your children for writing such beautiful remarks. If any one has little fear from God, he will definitely think over your remarks. I believe no one will be able to refute your arguments. Let us pray that innocent people should understand their clergy and religious business leaders so that they should ponder over the teachings of Hazrat Ahmad, Promised Messiah AS how is not inviting them toward him but Allah as clearly mentioned by you.

By the way I accepted Ahmadiyyat in 1968.

takwa 30 December 2009 - 11:11pm / UK

It is interesting that non-Ahmadis claim that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the last prophet, but in the same breath say Jesus will return after Muhammad (peace be upon him).Whether it's a new prophet or old prophet, a prophet remains a prophet, so whoever comes at the last becomes the last prophet. So who is actually the last prophet according to non-Ahmadiyya belief? Who is the one who ended prophethood? Jesus son of Mary or Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) after whose death the world is yet to see Jesus son of Mary?

Please note that religious personalities throughtout history have subscribed to the belief that 'seal' (khaatim) does not mean last in this context, but 'greatest'. For instance, Hazrat Ayesha (may Allah be pleased with her) is reported as having said: Say he was Khataman Nabiyyeen, but do not say that there will be no prophet after him. (Durre Manshur, Vol. V of Jalaludin Suyuti)

Hazrat Mohyuddin ibn Arabi has stated in his book, Futuhat Makkiyyah: Prophethood will continue among men till the Judgment Day, though a new law is barred. Law is a part of prophethood.

Hazrat Imam Muhammad Tahir has stated in his book, Majmaul Bihar: The saying of Hazrat Ayesha that Muslims should call the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be on him, Khataman Nabiyyeen, but should not say that there would be no prophet after him, had reference to the advent of the Promised Messiah. The direction given by Hazrat Ayesha is not in contradiction with the hadees: 'There will be no prophet after me'; for the meaning of the Holy Prophet was that there would be no prophet after him who would abrogate his law.

Hazrat Shaikh Ahmad Sirhindi (may Allah have mercy on him) Reformer of the second millennium, who is held in great honor, has stated: The achievement by the followers of the Holy Prophet by way of obedience and inheritance of the excellencies of prophethood after the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is not inconsistent with his being the Khatamar Rusul (Maktubat Ahmadiyya, Vol. I)

Hazrat Shah Waliullah, Muhaddas of Delhi, may Allah have mercy on him, who was a great divine and was the Reformer of the 12th century of Islam, has stated in his book Tafheemat Ilahiyyah that the meaning of prophethood having come to an end with the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, is that there will be no one who will be appointed by God Almighty with a new law.

These are only a few out of hundreds of statements made by eminent Muslim divines and righteous people who have interpreted the expression Khataman Nabiyyeen in the same way as the Ahmadiyya community. It is not a new philosophy- rather it challenges orthodoxy.

Anonymous 28 December 2009 - 6:58am / Indonesia

Unlikely my country.The letter of three ministers has been anounced to illegalise Ahmadiya sect

takwa 28 December 2009 - 12:49am / UK

The key difference between Ahmadis and other Muslims is over Jesus. Ahmadi Muslims believe Jesus died on Earth, years after surviviving the ordeal on the Cross. The Second Coming of Jesus is explained by Ahmadis as a spiritual return. Orthodox Muslims believe Jesus never went on the Cross and in fact never died at all - he lives physically in Heaven with God and theyawait his return 2000 years later in the same physical body. Ahmadis are wedded to a code of Love for All Hatred for None. They reject the firebrand mullahs that incite hatred and believe that there is no compulsion in matters of faith. They regard Muhammad (peace be upon him) as the last and greatest law-bearing Prophet and argue that God can, if He wishes, send other lesser prophets to guide mankind back to the right path. This belief is the key bone of contention as other Muslims say no prophet (with the exception of Jesus) can return after Muhammad (peace be upon him) and that prophethood ended 1400 years ago.

Tar 26 December 2009 - 3:25pm / Australia

Given that they "worship the same God and believe in the same prophets and the same Holy Books" it would be very interesting and helpful if the article could explain exactly what makes the Ahmadiyya distinct.

Sadaqt Mahmood 10 December 2010 - 8:28pm / USA

Please read the comments of

Mr. John Snider 10 January 2010 - 5:31am / USA, May Allah reward him for a such beautiful explanation.

You will be amazed why whole world is accepting Ahmadis as peaceful community. Ahmadiyyat is revival of Islam i.e real teachings of Islam and Prophet Muhammad saw. In west Islam has very bad image and with the grace of Almighty Allah, Ahmadi will establish true Islam on the earth as prophesied by Prophet Muhammad SAW that Islam will be dominant religion in later days. Ahmadiyyat zindabad.

Anonymous 27 December 2009 - 12:02am / Italy

"it would be very interesting and helpful if the article could explain exactly what makes the Ahmadiyya distinct. "

Do you need to be led by your hand? Ever heard of Google?

Tar 27 December 2009 - 12:31am / Australia

Anonymous, I have considerable trust in RNW that they are able to give an appropriate, accurate potted summary. One can always google, and believe me I have. But with such divisive topics, the results you get will always be contentious. I'm just saying such issues will be better understood if sober outlets like RNW can add to our knowledge.

Pedant 24 December 2009 - 11:51pm / US

The English in this article is appalling. Didn't anybody proofread it?

Anonymous 26 December 2009 - 11:22am / Italy

You mean, didn't "someone" proofread it. Getting nit-picky aren't you? Terrific talking point for the issue of the article yoy made.

Pedant 27 December 2009 - 11:58am / US

I appreciate the temptation to correct me, but the usage of "anybody" stands. And no, in a professional organization like RNW, one shouldn't accept sloppy mistakes like "one of the major Islam movements" which should be "Islamic" or "such a recognition" instead of merely "such recognition". That's two mistakes in the sub-headline alone. I could go on.
Who's yoy?

zindabad 24 December 2009 - 10:29pm / Pakistan

It is apt that this article is published on the eve of the day when Pakistan celebrates the birthday of Jinnah-the founder of Pakistan. He, of course, was a close friend of the Ahmadiyya community who were instrumental in the establishment of Pakistan. The first foreign minister of Pakistan, Zafrullah Khan, was President of the International Court of Justice in The Hague. Jinnah's vision of Pakistan lies in tatters today: 'You are free; you are free to go to your temples, you are free to go to your mosques or to any other place or worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion or caste or creed that has nothing to do with the business of the State'.

The move by Sunni Muslim groups to set aside their differences is a small step towards progress and will send shockwaves to those hardliners who profit from division.

takwa 24 December 2009 - 10:07pm / UK

The Ahmadiyya Muslim community, with its mission to practice Islam as a religion of peace, and its commitment to interfaith harmony, should exercise a beneficial influence on the other Muslims groups. Orthodox Muslims have suffered badly from their exclusion of Ahmadiyya whose enlightened and moderate thinking counteract the hardline influences that bedevil orthodox Islam. It is not the Ahmadiyyas that are controversial as described in your article- unless the motto Love for All Hatred for None, which is the Ahmadiyya creed, is controversial for other Muslims.

Anonymous 26 December 2009 - 11:27am / Italy

So. A collaboration between Muslim sects. We shall see what effect it really has long term. What this does now is legitimize even further another sky god fantasy cult in The Netherlands.

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